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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Not totally food related, but... vegetarians/vegans who have cats and dogs are total hypocrites.[/quote]

I've actually thought a lot about this - and wrote a novel that takes this on, too (published by a real publisher and everything) - and nuh huh. It's complicated sure but not hypocritical.[/quote]

Can you share more about this line of thinking? — vegetarian without pets [/quote]
I’m so confused as well.[/quote]

NP here. I could be wrong, but I think it’s like...if you feel so strongly about animal welfare that you’re vegan and use absolutely no animal-based products, then why do you feel comfortable “owning” an animal that you keep in captivity for your own amusement.[/quote]

That's a whole other issue. Dogs and cats actually voluntarily domesticated - they chose for themselves to live with humans, rather than be wild.

I don't think it is inherently cruel to keep them as our companions, still to this day. We provide them shelter, food, medical care, safety, and in exchange they give up the right to run wild in the street. (It's a lot like marriage in that way - you trade freedom for safety. Of course the difference is that marriage is voluntary and we buy our pets, so they don't get a say - but their ancestors made this choice, and the current dogs and cats seem pretty satisfied overall with the bargain, too.)

I do think many of the ways we treat them in our homes is cruel and immoral. People who keep their dogs crated for hours and hours every day - that is cruel. People who don't make sure their dogs and cats have enough companionship and enrichment to keep them happy, that's cruel as well. There is a lot of cruelty in breeding - in the system of creating more cats and dogs for us to purchase. Etc.

But the keeping of cats and dogs in our home is not cruel per se, I don't think. [/quote]

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