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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]All this crowing about Biden and other Democrats. If people are honest (but they aren’t) they will admit it was stable. No insanity with breaking down agencies like the FAA, state department, FDA, CDC just to start with, not throwing birthday parades for himself, no insane tweeting, not sending the military in against folks exercising their first amendment rights.

This just shows why the red states are at the bottom with education.

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Sure. But people don't want stasis either. And that's all that Democrats are offering. Schumer and Jeffries - the leaders of the Democratic Party - aren't exactly change agents. It's more like the corruption goes in slightly different directions with the current crop of Democratic leaders.

Take a look at Pelosi"s wealth. She's never earned more than $180,000 in her life. She's presently worth $115 million because of her insider trading. Don't think for a moment that Democrats are less corrupt than this generation of Republicans. And the Biden corruption - while not on Trump levels, was profound too. Hunter Biden made nearly $2 million from his "paintings," which doesn't compare to what Donald jr and Eric Trump are making from their crypto scams. But still.

Republicans suck. But so too Democrats. [/quote]

No idea if what any of you said is true. But who do you want in charge if some widespread disease broke out? If something happened to our water supply? Power grid? Do you have confidence in the FAA? Trump is not only a person you can’t take seriously, he is dangerous. Just take a look at his cabinet. Would you rather have those folks running the show or the people from Biden‘s cabinet?

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DP. With all due respect, it literally does not matter at all what you or I want. Your wishes are entirely irrelevant to winning the presidency in 2028. DCUM blue bubble voters are as relevant to winning the presidency as a garden slug is.

You need to convince swing state voters to agree with you if you want Democrats to win in 2028. And in particular you need to convince the voters that completely distrust the Democrats to vote for a Democratic candidate and not stay home or vote Republican.

That’s a tall order right now. The Democrats aren’t trusted on being honest about their leadership, education and school closures, trans, the COVID vaccine, border/immigration issues, money to Ukraine, or Gaza. That’s a lot of broken trust to make up.

By the way, none of this group trusts the Republicans (and it will be worse if their healthcare is gutted and the random kidnappings continue), but they distrust the Democrats more. I don’t think you understand just how tarnished the Democratic brand is outside of the DCUM blue bubble. [/quote]

Exactly. The swing voters will vote for change again in 2028. Yawn. We've seen this before. Unfit elderly people aren't popular presidents in swing voter world. Go figure. [/quote]

I don’t think they will vote for the Democrats at this point, though. Barring a generational talent, Vance will be our next president. There is too much lost trust. [/quote]

You sound like the fruitcakes who thought Pence, Mondale, and Harris were destined to be the next POTUS.[/quote]

I’m the PP who has correctly predicted every election since 2008, including Trump 2016.

And truth be told, it’s too early to predict outcome now. But I’m pessimistic for the Democrats today. It’s not that I think Vance is a very good politician. It’s that the Democrats are just so, so bad now. Bad enough that I don’t think they’ll get the normal lift of an unpopular president.

Mandami is lifting my spirits a bit, at least. [/quote]

Why is mandami lifting your spirits?[/quote]

Because it shows the Democrats have a pulse and can find a populist candidate. I thought the party was entirely dead for 2028, but Mamdani’s win is giving me some hope.

I don’t know if Mamdani will win overall. I don’t pay enough attention to local races to understand the dynamics, so I don’t want to predict that one. But the emergence of a charismatic populist is a breath of fresh air. [/quote]

He will win [/quote]

Whether Mamdani wins in NYC or not, he does not help Democrats nationally. At all. But if establishment Democrats choose to run washed up serial sexual harrasers and Covid extremists like Andrew Cuomo, primary voters are going to vote differently. As long as the Democratic establishment continues to put forth shit candidates, voters will go elsewhere. Candidates matter. And the DNC and the Democratic establishment don't seem to understand that. So primary voters will go to far left progressives, who are much more likely to lose in the general. And the disaster perpetuates itself. [/quote]

I think the current primary system with closed primaries excludes the more moderate independents, driving both parties away from the center, which in turn alienates the more moderate portions of the parties.  It’s a toxic self-perpetuating cycle and to have a healthy system, we really need open primaries and ranked choice voting.

However, before we can worry about the health of our democracy, we need to ensure its survival.  I think there is a critical lesson to be learned from the last lesson.  When voters tried to express their concerns (inflation, immigration, Biden’s age, etc.), the two parties responded very differently.  Trump claimed to care about their problems and promised to fix them. [b] Meanwhile, the Democrats told the voters that the problems the voters were experiencing weren’t really problems, that the Democrats knew better than the voters themselves what the real issues were, and if a voter disagreed, it was because they were either evil or stupid.[/b]  Now I don’t think for one minute that Trump actually cared about the voters’ problems (or anything besides his own self-interest), nor do I think him capable of fixing anything, even if he did care, but at least he acknowledged their problems.  The Democrats, on the other hand, tried to gaslight them and openly expressed their contempt for large segments of voters.

If the Democrats are to win, they need to take up the issues of the voters and show them how the Democrats can offer real solutions.  Stop playing politics and just solve problems.  Don’t ignore reality — we’ve been barreling towards disaster for decades with the debt, it was reaching a critical point even before Trump came in and decided to give it a great, big, push.  Yes, we absolutely need to “tax the rich”, but that won’t begin to cover the debt.  Cuts will also be necessary.  Start in whatever areas you want - defense, etc., but also start going after pork, corruption (especially on the Democratic side) and other areas that can be cut.  I know the idea of cutting anything from departments whose goals are admirable, hurts, but any bureaucracy this large that has had 250 years to evolve will absolutely have inefficiencies, and if we don’t cut what we can now, we put it all at risk when the system collapses.

We need to look at solutions beyond throwing money at people.  It doesn’t get to the roots of the problems and can sometimes make things worse.  Corporate greed is out of control, and while taxing the rich more is necessary, it won’t really get at the underlying problems.  You need to start breaking up these monopolies and deal with the problems of private equity.  Deal with high medical costs. (why do other countries pay more for medicine than we do?  If we funded the research, we should be getting a discount.)  Instead of forgiving college loan debt, find a way to make college cheaper and/or provide alternatives.  Take some (any) kind of action to block illegal immigration, but then expand the quotas for legal immigration and simplify/streamline the process.

Instead of a grand political Build Back Better Bill (vs. Trump’s Big, Beautiful Bill - Did some pollster convince politicians that voters liked the letter B?), start with streamlined bills (ex.  Here’s a straightforward bill that just funds road and bridge maintenance, no pork - the Republicans can either get on board or explain to the voters why they’re risking a bridge collapse).  It would be lovely if we could do everything for everyone, but we can no longer afford that.  The order of priority has to be:  
1. America as a country 
2. American citizens as individuals 
1000.  Party

The Democrats need to show how they will support the voters’ wishes if they want to win.  If they continue to approach elections as if it is the voters’ role to support the party’s wishes then the electorate will continue to turn away from them and toward any party that is willing to at least pretend to listen.

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I couldn't agree more.  It's politics 101.  It should be so basic to validate and empathize with people's concerns and fears, acknowledge mistakes (we all make them!) and come up with a plan that most can support or tolerate.  It shouldn't be some monumental task to meet people where they are.[/quote]

The challenge is that to do this requires introspection and ability to criticize past policies that are no longer working.  For example: healthcare.  Sure Obamacare had some great provisions like coverage for preexisting conditions, allowing children to stay on a parent’s plan longer etc.  but its premise that it would lower healthcare costs bc more coverage would mean fewer expensive ER visitors is a flop. Healthcare costs when combining what people pay for coverage with out of pocket expensive has only gone up the last 20 years.  Dems needs to face up that Obamacare was a handout to the insurance companies and actually come up with a solution to fix the problem instead of pushing for expanding subsidies.   [/quote]

You forget that key parts of Obamacare were not allowed to be implemented.  The same way we can’t get folks to move to universal healthcare or a model much much closer. Which most Democrats would freely agree to do.

We can’t have nice things because we won’t embrace community and instead have too many people that worship at the alter of greed and riches.[/quote]

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