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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is not a video game folks.  This is Bakhmut.  The line between Good and Evil is empathy.  Do you seriously believe ANYONE supports the Russian Government after watching this?  I'm guessing even the Chinese CCP and PLA is uneasy about telling the Chinese people how great Russia is doing this to their own people?

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And putting it another way, even Kevin McCarthy chose sides...
https://nypost.com/2023/05/01/mccarthy-rebukes-russian-reporter-i-do-not-support-what-your-country-has-done-to-ukraine/

Do you get it now?[/quote]

I get it.  I also get what would happen if Ukraine wins the war, to the Russian speaking people in Ukraine.
And Zelensky is demanding Crimea back.  [/quote]

This is nonsense.  They don't have a problem with Russian speaking people, nor ethnic Russians.  Even Zelenskyy grew up Russian speaking.  There are many Russian-speaking people and ethnic Russians, as well as Russian expats serving in Ukraine's army to fight against Putin's violent, illegal, immoral invasion and occupation.[/quote]

Reprisals in the Donbass.  Perhaps they will need UN occupation.[/quote]

There's someone who believes there is a 'winner' here?  After so many deaths, I think the concept is misguided.

The issue is not Russian-speaking (as Russian propaganda has led the Russian population to believe).  The issue is Russian-Government-supporting.  I agree with the comments that although the Ukrainian Government will be tolerant of the Russian-speaking, but not the Russian-Government-supporting population.  In general both groups will be faced with hard choices regarding whether to stay in Ukraine or move to Russia.  If they stay, they will risk prosecution or legal action, based upon the level of crimes committed; similar to Nazi War Crime prosecutions that took decades to sort out.

I think OSCE in Crimea/Donbass to ensure fair political representation for Russian-speakers, Hague-led War Crimes committee, UNHCR medical / refugee repatriation, NATO de-mining operation, and IPTF protected by a temporary NATO-led border between the Russian and Ukrainian side would work to let both sides cool down and heal.  This is nearly identical to the Bosnia IFOR/SFOR situation, which worked well, since everyone was tired of war and wanted a lasting peace.

My concern is the Russian-Government-Supporting population.  It will be like the Russian-Serbs post-Yugoslavia.  It takes a while for them to be unhooked from the propaganda and deprogrammed.

But this is also why I think the drone was an inside-job.  It could be some in the Russian government unhappy with Putin.  The question is whether it was someone sympathetic to the carnage in Ukraine seeking peace, or an ultranationalist seeking a stronger hammer?

"The Kremlin tasked the Federal Protective Service (equivalent of the USSS) to conduct "sociological surveys" of the Risk of Worsening Conditions for the Ministry of Economic Development, to determine potential sources of unrest.  54 "mono" (factory) towns were considered borderline for unrest with another 105 closely following."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-1n-05Xu6Y

And this was before the war started.

This is also why I believe Russia has the potential to devolve into either anarchy or nuclear war within three years.  Total anarchy would be the point where the FSB, Russian National Guard and FPS can no longer maintain control through force and oppression.  Their security apparatus is so efficient that it has snuffed the protester kindling to put Russia back into a more long-term stable regime.  Unfortunately the yapping dogs in this case are the Voice of Reason, and the caravan is moving off the cliff into a place that there is no return from; which is where Russia is likely headed.

I hope I'm wrong because this is a very, very scary scenario folks.[/quote]

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