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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why should SA accept the status quo? [/quote]u

Because they can’t convince a parent with a kid who walks to Discovery that a bus to Randolph is a better option.[/quote]

Always the extreme examples.[/quote]

DP. No one ever offers concrete suggestions in the middle. All rhetoric, no ideas.[/quote]

DP. I think, unfortunately, that ideas in the middle will sound terrible on paper. We all want kids to succeed. It is very hard for English learners to succeed without help. It is hard for students that know English to succeed when they have to wait for the others to catch up. There's probably a way to catch up English learners and mainstream them. That's probably happening on some level. But the other kids still have to wait and have to go to a school where the resources are focused on that. In theory, you could test kids and send them to schools that "fit" their needs, but all that results in is segregation. There would be an UMC "academy" and a English learning "bootcamp" or something.  (and it would not fly)

There has to be a better option, but like you said, it's always to the extremes.

Look at the CC.[/quote]

This. This is the hard truth. It's a driving force behind school segregation. It's why Henry and Oakridge are the most overcrowded schools in the county while Randolph, Barcroft and carlin are still at or just below capacity. Immersion was introduced in 1986 at key to address the problem and I guess you could say it worked on a small scale. It's their closest thing we have to integrated schools. Choice schools are necessary because some kids will always be a mismatch for their zoned school, and not just in SA. They are necessary because we don't do in school tracking and because personalized learning is blather. The reality is that NA schools instruction is ahead of SA because teachers have to pace their instruction to just below the middle.[/quote]

Choice schools don’t integrate neighborhood schools.[/quote]

Yes, they do. Strategic placement can break up geographically concentrated poverty. Given the CB decision to "preserve" Barcroft Apts, the least APS can do is offer a convenient option school that would allow them to not attend a school that is 80% ED. Everyone deserves that.[/quote]

Strategic placement of the option programs we have may help to break it up, but simply creating new ones, on its own, does not. Further, unless we go to an all-lottery system county-wide, there will never be enough option seats to accommodate everyone who might want to leave those schools. If you're one of the families that doesn't get in, would you rather have your neighborhood school be 70% FARMS, or 87% FARMS because even more of the non-FARMS families were siphoned off by option schools?[/quote]

It's going to be 87% farms whether there are choice schools or not. People who aren't willing to attend a high poverty neighborhood school and attempt to option out are not going to simply say aw shucks and attend that neighborhood school if they don't get into the option school. They are going to move. Why do you think far flung suburbs exist?[/quote]

Frankly, I'm not terribly concerned about the families who are going to opt out no matter what. They are part of the problem, not the solution, and I'm not interested in pouring resources into accommodating them.[/quote]

Dp- but there aren’t enough social juctice warriors to stay.  You need to be concerned.[/quote]

So what? Their presence doesn't help the problem so why would I care if they stay or go?[/quote]

Because their presence [i]would[/i] help the problem.   You may not like their attitudes; but those attitudes are expressed when they flee - not so much when they stay.[/quote]

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