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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My view is it should be all about self-determination. Best case scenario, people should get to choose for themselves. Whether it's muslim women wearing the niqab, or ultra-orthodox jewish girls forced to wear long dresses and long sleeve shirts in 100 degree weather. If that's what they want, great. If not, then they should get to do what they want. If religion gets in the way with that choice, then it's a problem.[/quote]

I disagree.  If religion says you must dress or eat this way, then okay.  If religion tells you that you must obey your husband, etc., well, that's less okay.  If you father, brother, husband, and society tell you you must dress a certain way, behave a certain way, can only hold X job, can only do X thing, then that's a problem.[/quote]

not very astute, eh?

Religion is ruled by men, created by men.

Religious dress codes were written by men FOR women.

So if Daddy and husband are telling you that you'll look like a whore w/o your niqab or hijab, that's no different from the Quran telling you that you need to be "modest."

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Back in the day, nuns were some of the most powerful women in society, however they dressed.

Practically speaking, if you live in the desert, it might make sense to cover some or almost all of your skin -- that's cultural rather than religious.  However, if you're not out in the sun, if you have built shelters or moved to a different climate, then covering may no longer make so much sense.  At that point, is it religion or culture that dictates what you wear?

But I won't go on, since I'm not very astute.[/quote]

Nuns have never been "powerful" outside of a church or a church school.  And many were not the happiest women around.  I know that firsthand.  Catholics don't confess to nuns.  Nuns don't marry couples.  They don't say mass.  They don't even receive the sacrament of the Holy Orders - but priests do.

yeah - really powerful

Furthermore, you're contradicting yourself. You defend a religious framework that forces upon women a dress code, yet you bring the need to cover back down to reality - in essence to protect the body from the elements.

astute to a certain point - But you clearly can't synthesize information to make a point in your defense. [/quote]

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