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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] Why do you keep pretending that this EO excludes just the illegals? Are you hoping it will make your argument stronger? The EO denies citizenship to children of people who are here legally if they are not citizens or permanent residents.[/quote] That's a good thing - a tourist is here legally, but her baby born on the US soil will not automatically become citizen. The baby will have the same citizenship as mother/parents.[/quote] +1. I said earlier that I don’t think the EO is legal and will almost certainly get tied up in court, but on the merits I think it is completely fine to have a policy that only the children of legal immigrants (permanent residents) or citizens are granted citizenship at birth. Basically every other developed country does it this way. I am totally okay with the children of tourists, student visa holders, and H1-B/non-immigrant visa holders not getting citizenship at birth. The child will have the same citizenship as their parents at birth, and if the family continues to live in the US and the parents are eventually naturalized, then the child will get citizenship then. If the parents have no intention of staying in the US permanently or raising the child here, I think it’s actively preferable that the child is not given citizenship.[b] I know someone who was born to Italian PhD students doing a postdoc in the US and was raised 100% in Italy, identifies as Italian, and has no real connection to the US besides the circumstances of his birth. IMO there is no reason for that person to be a citizen.[/b][/quote] These accidental Americans have faced no end of problems financially. The US considers them US citizens who must pay US taxes on all their worldwide income. Banks in their native countries often won't let them open bank accounts for fear of becoming subject to requirements to report to the IRS. See FATCA.[/quote] They could always renounce their US citizenship, right? I was in a grad school program and almost all of the international students would have babies while in the US, so it seems like they saw it as beneficial to have a US citizen child. [/quote] You realise you have to pay $2,500 to renounce your citizenship. Plus you have to travel to your capital city for an appointment with the embassy and produce all of the documentation required, including your US birth certificate which is obvious a problem if you don’t have it[/quote] Either pay the fee and get the paperwork done, or face the consequences.[/quote] +1. Presumably this is cheaper than paying US taxes on your worldwide income for life. [/quote] You clearly don’t understand. You are required to file a tax return, but that doesn’t mean you pay any US taxes. And if you don’t think $2,500 is much money perhaps you should check the average incomes of most countries in the world. [/quote] OK, so if you’re not paying US taxes (despite filing a tax return) and you can’t afford to renounce because $2,500 is too expensive, then there’s no pressing financial reason to renounce. The $2,500 fee isn’t relevant. And if you are renouncing because you don’t want to pay US taxes, then in almost all cases you earn enough that yes, $2,500 upfront will be less than your lifetime US tax liability. All of this is a sideshow to the initial point that (many people, including me) feel that it’s stupid that people who were born to foreign parents in the US because of a random circumstance or birth tourism or whatever, and aren’t raised in the US, and don’t identify as American or otherwise have connections to the US, are US citizens. I’m okay with that path to citizenship closing.[/quote]
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