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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Peace is possible; let’s reject extremist positions that don’t engender peace.[/quote]

Peace, unfortunately, is not possible until Russia has been thoroughly defeated and is no longer an existential threat to its neighboring countries - Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. This is very much a conflict between imperialism and authoritarianism on one side and democracy and freedom on the other. There is no middle ground. There cannot be a ceasefire that allows Russia to rearm. Anne Applebaum has a great article in this month's Atlantic Monthly where she goes into the global implications of this conflict - from Wagner's heavy presence in Africa to the rise of authoritarian rule in Venezuela to the challenges of establishing a free society in Iran, one of Russia's few remaining allies. Well worth a read[/quote]

LOL Anne Applebaum. Poland's great, unpaid, unacknowledged mouthpiece.

Isn't this exactly what they said about Iraq? That it's a conflict between authoritarianism and democracy? It worked out so well!

I understand this little cheat sheet (democracy: good! must fight authoritarianism! it is bad!) works for the yokels who make up the readership of Anne Applebaum.  Unfortunately, there is just too much information out there about how the self-appointed masters of democracies support, arm and patronize authoritarian, imperialistic regimes when it suits their purposes.  I mean who do you think keeps Al-Saud, Al-Khalifa and Al-Sabah in power? Popular will? Or American made arms and good friends in Washington? Who rained fire on Bahrain's popular uprising that wanted democracy? Who deposed democratically elected prime minister in Iran and replaced him with the western puppet? Who supported authoritarian, brutal regimes in LAC?  Enough already with the "challenges of establishing free society" bullshit.   I mean, look how close to our military bases these tyrants put their country![/quote]

Ahh the ole "lets deflect with whataboutism about all these other authoritarians" and "lets deflect with whataboutism about some thing that happened a decade plus ago"
Just don't pay attention to the authoritarian who's doing bad things right now...  Anything to deflect away from THAT.[/quote]

You just don't want to deal with counterarguments.  If Anne Applebaum is making a case that the world is locked in a black & white tension between democracies and authoritarian regimes, why wouldn't it be relevant to point out that the largest democracy in the world is a passionate supporter of authoritarian regimes in the Gulf? Global implications and whatnot?  What democracy has built up the Al-Saud? Wasn't Russia you know.    I'm afraid the U.S. doesn't get to preen here. [/quote]

Because the topic is the Russia Ukraine conflict. Nothing in this entire thread is about American soldiers going to Ukraine to fight for freedom. Anne Applebaum has been a well respected essayist about Eastern and Central Europe for decades. If you don't care for her opinions, that's fine. If you don't care for US foreign policy in the Middle East, that's also fine. Not many people do. But in this context you are simply deflecting and engaging in whataboutism. It's boring and it's lazy. Save your thoughts about Bahrain for elsewhere. It'd be nice to keep this thread focused.   [/quote]

If this topic is about Russia - Ukraine conflict, then why bring up Anne Applebaum's drivel about Iran, Venezuela and god knows where else?  I didn't see you telling THAT poster to keep it to the conflict in question.  [/quote]

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