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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most of the precautions from spring are gone. retail, grocery, etc is back to normal. costco is a madhouse, no wipes for your carts, malls are busy. I see people dining inside restaurants. people out and about. beer farms and wineries have lines to get in, kids doing sports, ...
for many people, it is almost business as usual except wear a mask.
considering all of the above, schools need to open.[/quote]

Thats exactly why we need to stay closed.  You clearly know how busy places are as you are going and you are part of the problem.  Bring your own wipes.

Not one person can suggest a clear plan to safely go back.[/quote]
the point is, even with people doing all of the above, the numbers have not skyrocketed. Require masks, hand wash/sanitize breaks, frequent cleaning of high touch surfaces.. HVAC in the schools is designed, to code, to circulate in outside air. 
but before doing any of the above, mcps needs to survey the parents to have an idea of which families are returning and which will do f2f. the fact that this hasn't happened proves that they have no idea what they are doing.[/quote]

You clearly learned history in MCPS virtual learning.

The problem is that there's a very vocal part of the community mad about the numbers we're at. They can't do anything about bars, restaurants, and other businesses, so they're taking their anger out on kids and schools.[/quote]

Those vocal folks can do something.  They can behave in a way and make their own choices so we can go back.  They shouldn't need the government to tell them what to do.  They can do carry out only, shop for necessities only and limit social contact.  Instead they'd rather organize unsafe mass protests as they cannot handle their kids all day.  If we as a society decided schools were a priority things would look different.  I don't take anyone seriously who demand going back to school in person and their life choices don't reflect it.[/quote]

This is probably the most disingenuous post I've ever read on these boards. Only government can mandate the type of policy it'd take to drive numbers to the hypothetical that you'd want them to return to school. Any one individual, such as a parent who really wants their kid back in school, doesn't even begin to move the needle. Seriously, you should be ashamed of what you just wrote because it's complete propaganda and disinformation.[/quote]

I'm not ashamed of what I wrote because individuals need to take personal responsibility and not look toward our government, who cannot show leadership, to make good choices for everyone.  If you want your kids back to school, you need to look at how your behaviors and actions contribute to the problem and adjust them.  Numbers will go up if schools open.[/quote]

Again, you're being completely disingenuous. This is part of what government does. Set policy to guide behavior. Otherwise, are you saying that we need 1.1M MC residents to all individually make the same collective decisions to enable school (even though hundreds of thousands of those residents aren't currently impacted by school)? I mean it's just an asinine POV.[/quote]

Not our government.  So, yes, it comes down to personal responsibility. [/quote]

which has been repeatedly shown to be a recipe for failure in other words we don't care and it's your problem[/quote]

I'm trying to imagine Churchill saying stopping Nazi aggression was a matter of personal responsibility. [/quote]

Churchill was a responsible president.  We don't have one.  So, therefore its up to individuals to take care of and fix this issue.  Just like folks did in Germany and other countries until the US and other countries decided to step in.  No country stepped in immediately and if they did, maybe the Holocaust would not have been as bad as it was.  There were many individuals doing underground groups trying to stop it and save people.  Maybe we need to learn from their actions.

I think its easy to blame the president and he's a huge issue but its harder to take individual responsible and act responsibly.  If your priority is to open schools, then what are you willing to do to get them open? The majority are not willing to make changes to help us get rid of COVID.  So, it will remain as will our schools being close for a long time.[/quote][/quote]. In this case, the president is clearly to blame. His lack of action made things much worse. Compare the US to S. Korea. That's what leadership looks like.[/quote]

Look, we have a crappy president but if you base your life and choices on what he choses to do and say, that is on you, no this.  The US would not tolerate strict quarantine, government quarantine, forced testing so you can blame the president all you want but if you are making choices to not behave appropriately during a pandemic, that's on you not him.  [/quote]

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