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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]2. No one is trying to prove a negative. We just don't believe in things that have no evidence. Unicorns. Three winged flying pigs. Forests of Candy Canes. You can go on and on about it but a negative can never be proven, no matter how ludicrous it is.[/quote]

[b]All of these examples are for potentially physical things.  We have been discussing metaphysical things, such as God, souls, and justice[/b].

Perhaps, rather than proving a negative, we've been affirming the consequent?

If there were no heaven, we would need to believe in one.

We need to believe in one, therefore there is no heaven. [/quote]

Are you saying a thing is more plausible if by design it can't ever be observed?  How would you know?[/quote].

Oh, dear!  Back to epistemology...but it is too late to describe different ways we can know things.

For now, just note that rationalists who contend we may only know what the scientific method can prove have a self-negating system, for we cannot test whether the scientific method is the only way to know things using the scientific method.  And even scientists and mathematicians use logic along with empirical evidence...deduction and induction...and so forth.

And it does up generally come down to probability rather than certainty, for physical and metaphysical questions, doesn't it?  God is reasonable but not obvious--that, at least, is plausible?
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