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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No one cares. We will make sure the military gets your ak57’s you small pp magas. [/quote]

How? There are 80 million MAGA at least 80 million Trump voter.

Will military go door to door to get the gun?  The 2nd amendment sancutary county will no help the miltary.

What is casualty rate of door to door?

80 million maga outnumber the military people.  That would be civil war and everybody loose.  Very violent fantasy.[/quote]

No.  There were 80M people that voted for Trump in 2020.  As the primary season has shown, Haley has continued to hold a significant level of support between 12-18%.

Trump lost 80M to 88M in 2020.  Both candidates have been losing support over the last 1-2 years and turnout in 2024 will likely be significantly lower with people who cannot stomach voting for either candidate choosing to sit out.  But the current rates suggest that Trump has been losing more support than Biden has.  So he was already 10% behind Biden and likely is further behind.

There are also extremely notable problems with current polling.  First, polls of a few thousand voters are not going to show who will decide to sit out the elections coming up.  Looking at primaries to see how many are voting against their party's leading candidate are a better measure of ones who will be more likely to sit out.  Second, current polling methods only really measure those who are dedicated voters, the ones who vote all the time.  And since most polls are 70-80% land line, that isn't particularly accurate.  Those who have landlines tend to be older and more conservative.  With abortion access that will be highlighted for this election, this makes the polling even more unrelated to actual voter turnout.  The 2022 and 2023 elections showed that the polling was quite inaccurate.  In every state where abortion was on the ballot, whether a constitutional amendment or a candidate that soundly supported abortion rights, the turnout in in the 18-35 demographic was significantly higher than traditional turnout.  And that demographic voted over 70% in favor of preserving abortion rights.  These are the young men and women who are most affected by abortion bans.  And they almost universally use cell phones and very few of them have land lines.

Despite being a weak president, Biden is still stronger than Trump was and has more support than Trump has.  And the abortion issue will only magnify that as it will bring out voters who do not vote every election, to vote for the Biden ticket.  Biden will win by a bigger margin than he did in 2020, although both candiates will likely receive significantly less votes than they did in 2020.[/quote]

Agree Biden will receive more popular votes, for some of the reasons you put forth. But as was the case in 2016, when Trump also lost the popular vote he will garner enough electoral college votes to become president once again.  Very glad that the founding fathers put in the effort to create a constitutional republic and not a pure democracy.

People don’t want their guns, or gas stoves, or other gas appliances taken away from them.  Particularly the 75% of America that votes republican.  [/quote]

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