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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous. [/quote]

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions. [/quote]

What are you talking about? There were plenty of people who questioned everything and did whatever they wanted anyway. It’s not like the police came and arrested people for expressing dissenting views. Even in early covid when people were dying, plenty of people questioned why they had to be inconvenienced to save other people’s lives and behaved accordingly. Lockdowns were never going to work in this country because we are a narcissistic and selfish society who rarely behave for the greater good of community. [/quote]

+1 million - one of the most notable things about the COVID response was the almost immediate rise of a faction of loud people that were determined to push back against any measure that would inconvenience them in the slightest.[/quote]

The measures were dumb. Just delaying the inevitable. [/quote]

The truth is, we don't really know.  There were too many people who ignored measures or implemented them improperly (see people with masks under their noses).  And I don't trust a lot of data.  See the lady on one of these threads who talks about how they were supposed to have a covid test before getting on a plane and the nurse came, they paid her to just go away, and she didn't do the test.  So how many people did that nurse NOT test but report as negative?  Repeat that kind of BS all over the country and you get suspect, useless "data".

So when people go on on here about "the data" i almost have to laugh.  Except that it's so sad.  What decent data do we really have?

And these same people are saying outright they will ignore public health directives next time around because of what they have "learned".  Even though they have no idea what could be the cause of the next pandemic and how it will differ from covid.

God help us all.[/quote]

Measures that the public is unable or unwilling to perform reliably are not effective public health measures. That should be a major lesson from the pandemic response. We spent 18 months keeping kids out of school and telling people to mask while walking on the sidewalk or between the restaurant table and bathroom rather than actually focusing on measures to help those at risk of severe illness.[/quote]

We are talking about two different kinds of effective.  There is effective re: preventing spread of a disease.  Masking and some of the measures, had they been implemented widely and properly, could have done that.

You are talking about PR.  Find me anything you can get all Americans to do these days.  Americans are a bunch of stupid, entitled little sh**s who won't do much of anything if it inconveniences them.

Different things.  And Americans' stupidity is not a valid reason not to try when something like a pandemic happens.  But it is not encouraging for the future.[/quote]

Also, plenty of the masking policies and mandates that were in place were not practical, effective, or necessary. Did you have a preschooler in the pandemic ostensibly subjected to all-day masking at age 2? Did you have children with ASD or sensory processing disorders? Did you live in a jurisdiction that required masks on the sidewalk, but not at a restaurant table?[/quote]

That may be true, but not everything was worthless. [b]And think if all the adults had masked properly whenever they needed to.  Would have meant the littlest kids could skip.[/b]  But Americans always think they individually know best.  And most Americans are not very bright.  So do the math.[/quote]

Ugh this is the type of moralistic “logic” that was so prevalent during the pandemic. The whole fallacy of “if people would just do X then we could finally do Y.” But in reality there was never any support for masking very young kids and we all knew they couldn’t actually do it well (not to mention the masks came off for snack and nap, so it was just arbitrary having it worn part of the day). And your claim about Americans is funny, you think your views are the superior one, but even the WHO said no masking for kids 5 and under. America was the outlier with young kids. [/quote]

Your post makes no sense.  You are arguing as if I recommended masks for kids which I did not.  Why did the WHO not recommend masks for kids under 5?  Because they can't wear them properly, correct.  So the point was, the adults wear them, because they should know how.  And my point is American's are stupid, which you...agree with?

Ugh back at you.  You are an idiot who can't read.

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You literally admit kids 5 and under couldn’t mask properly but at first argued if adults had masked the littlest kids could have skipped masking … which makes no sense. Restrictions for the youngest kids should never have been tied to adult restrictions. Young kids masking was never going to work even had all the adults masked or not masked or half masked or whatever they were going to do.

So arguing that little kids could have stopped masking of only adults had done what they were supposed to do is basically just admitting the mask restrictions were punitive toward kids because the adults wouldn’t mask. [/quote]

Plenty of young kids masked and were just fine with it.  Others were not but some of it had to do with the parents, more than the kids.[/quote]

So the World Health Organization was wrong? Three year olds masking except for naps and snacks was a success, and the ones who couldn’t mask correctly were because the adults in their lives failed them? But overall masking preschoolers with pieces of cloth, even through spring 2022 a year after vaccines rolled out, was great public policy?

You’re sticking with that logic with everything we know now in almost 2024?

Just brilliant. [/quote]

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