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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores.  Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense.  Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection.  Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.[/quote]

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept?  So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class[/quote]

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity.  Select top 3 choices for major.  Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities.  Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to.  This is a minor problem.  [/quote]

That is ridiculous.[/quote]

They really need to just apply to European schools (or many asian countries as well) who you take a test, score high enough you get in[/quote]

Maybe, that’s why foreign schools are now ranked higher than US universities in technical fields like engineering.  They’re admitting the best and brightest abroad and not based on flimsy ID baskets.[/quote]

True.  Look at US News best global engineering school rankings.  Even scarier is the fact that many of China’s engineering schools in the world’s T25 or T50 don’t even belong to their Ministry of Education—they belong to their Ministry of Defense.  Including world’s #5, Harbin, which is ranked just below world’s #4, MIT.  It’s a military technical university.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/engineering

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Yup.

Americans are oblivious to how fast they're falling behind in technical fields.[/quote]

I wouldn’t say that we are falling behind fast, but China’s rise is a huge concern.  I read a few things about their history of nuclear and missile programs.  Not long ago (a few decades ago) the majority of that nation was poor uneducated peasants.  But they did have a few brilliant students who studied in the US and (to a lesser extent) Europe.  The founder of their missile and space program was an MIT Ph.D. and CalTech professor.  The father of their atomic bomb was a Purdue Boilermaker, helped by some Michigan Wolverines.  (Wonder if there was a Big Ten rivalry in their nuclear and missile research facilities.)  A CalTech Ph.D. and cofounder of Cornell’s aeronautical engineering (along with William Sears) (now part of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering Dept) also contributed greatly to their weapons programs.  Allegedly he died in a plane crash in China—carrying hydrogen bomb design documents.  Just want to say that we are in a life-or-death struggle for technological supremacy.  The competition for technological supremacy is fiercer than ever in human history.  [b]Does AA/DEI help or hurt us in maintaining technological supremacy?  Different people may have different opinions, but that’s a question we must answer.[/b][/quote]

Do we think certain groups of people will help us maintain technological superiority?

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That is exactly what they are saying - they can't make it in their country, so they are entitled to make it in this country, and they are entitled to take anyone else's place, because they know how to teach to the test, and Americans allegedly do not, so Americans must be inferior in Maths.

My, this is a very "Dictatorship" or "Communistic" thing to say. You do realize America is a Democracy? [/quote]

Yes, America is a democracy.  Do you realize that even deep blue California voters voted down AA, twice?  If AA is put up for a democratic vote, it does not stand a chance in this country.  Those elite college admins are NOT elected by the people. [/quote]

However, if those "elite college admins" feel it is important to increase the number of blacks, latinos and other minorities on their campus, they will find a way to do that.  Just like if they believe their is value in increasing the number of low income students on campus they will make it happen.

We do not get to vote on how private universities are run (or public really) and that is a good thing, given that only 50% of 25-60yo have even graduated college.  [/quote]

IF private universities don’t take a penny of taxpayers money then they can racially discriminate however they want.  But they do take taxpayers money. [/quote]

My tax dollars go to plenty of things that I do not get a direct say in.  Yet I still pay my taxes.

The research that private universities do with the grants they get end up "costing the country far less than if we had to hire people to do the research".  So the argument of "take away their money" does not really go very far.  Undergrads and graduate students are extremely cheap labor for the extensive research that happens.  Govt could not afford to pay for the research if it was all done in public firms/non-universities.

The amount of energy people put into complaining their kid wont or didn't get into a highly selective university is astounding.  Get over it, move on and support your kid at wherever they end up.  Fact will remain, just because you got great test scores and a 4.0 gpa and 10 APs that does NOT entitle you to an elite education.  There are more qualified candidates than spots, someone will get left out.  And the definition of "qualified" is different at each school, as they balance majors, M/F, demographics, etc.  [/quote]

All that's great blah, blah!  Let's fund good research through tax $$.  No issues there. But let's also make these institutions pay taxes. Same goes for churches, hospitals, etc. (which I'm sure you'll bring up).  Tax holidays should not last more than 5 years.  if you can't get to be self sustaining by then, shut down and fu*k off![/quote]

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