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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wait why are we not victims? Oppressed, marginalized, assaulted and worse. Underpaid, undervalued. Quit minimizing our concerns.[/quote]

Sorry, if you are posting here, your life is nowhere near as hard as a homeless, mentally ill, orphaned Black man. [/quote]

He had treatment and housing options that he refused. He was no victim. His hardships were his own choice. [/quote]

It is sometimes part of the disease to reject medication and treatment. And state-provided housing comes with rules that addicts can't always adhere to. A young man close to me from an UMC family has been struggling with mental illness and substance abuse for over a decade. He has walked out of most every housing situation he has ever been placed in (halfway houses, group homes for recovering substance users, etc.) and goes on and off his meds because they make him feel bad. He cycles in and out of jail, state-managed homes, and treatment programs. And he has an involved family that has been torn apart by his behavior. There is no end in sight. You seem to think it's a moral problem or character flaw, but the dually diagnosed (mentally ill and substance using) have a particularly hard time managing both. It is not as black and white as you make it seem.[/quote]

Lots of words but none of that means that person gets to ruin public spaces for everyone else. [/quote]

Don't be so rigid and a hard ass. No one said that this or any individual gets to "ruin public spaces for everyones else." I was just responding to this: "He had treatment and housing options that he refused. He was no victim. His hardships were his own choice." If someone is very mentally ill and has a concurrent substance problem and doesn't accept help, it is not necessarily a moral choice issue. They are very unwell. Authorities may have to intervene, but as actual mental health workers have noted in earlier posts on this thread, these folks cycle in and out of treatment. No one can make them stay there. [/quote]

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