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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ukraine is running out of resorts- including young men.  Time for peace.  Lives can be saved.[/quote]
This has been a talking point that has started circulating from the vatnik social media sphere by Russian troll farms.

It signals a shift in the narrative in Russian propaganda from a few months ago, and certainly a huge shift from the beginning of the war. That means that Russia is increasingly feeling the strain of this unsuccessful war. [/quote]

Sane Americans have been saying that for quite some time.

There is no reporting from that war.  Only propaganda, from both sides. [/quote]
The only reason this "negotiate to save Ukrainian lives" narrative is coming to the surface now, is because the Kremlin is starting to come to the realization that there's no real way for them to achieve their war goals.

Don't fall for the notion that it's some sort of good faith idea to end the war. The Russians just want to hurt support in the West for continuing aid to Ukraine.
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They were negotiating a year ago in Istanbul and getting somewhere until Boris Johnson swooped in and slapped Zelensky's hand away.[/quote]

Bullshit. They weren't getting anywhere and Johnson didn't derail anything. Zelensky didn't have anything like a mandate from his people for making territorial concessions to Russia and, in any case, Putin is and was utterly untrustworthy. Zelensky was aware that Russia wasn't negotiating in good faith and that Russia had been engaged in the execution and torture of civilians in Bucha, Irpin, Borodyanka and other northern towns. [/quote]

There were no formalized territorial concessions on the table in Istanbul.  Civilians die in every war and it in no way precludes a negotiated settlement.

On the Johnson/negotiations bit, I'll leave you with this:

Russia and Ukraine may have agreed on a tentative deal to end the war in April, according to a recent piece in Foreign Affairs.

“Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement,” wrote Fiona Hill and Angela Stent. “Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.”

The news highlights the impact of former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s efforts to stop negotiations, as journalist Branko Marcetic noted on Twitter. The decision to scuttle the deal coincided with Johnson’s April visit to Kyiv, during which he reportedly urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to break off talks with Russia for two key reasons: Putin cannot be negotiated with, and the West isn’t ready for the war to end.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/02/diplomacy-watch-why-did-the-west-stop-a-peace-deal-in-ukraine/[/quote]

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