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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OK. Let's summarize to make it clear that French bigotry belongs in the list of explanations, but is not the entire list.

[b]1. French bigotry and racism. [/b]
2. Lack of constructive Muslim engagement with the political system to remedy said bigotry and racism.
3. Twisted and murderous version of Islam.
4. High unemployment among all French youth, but especially among Muslims = boredom and poverty
5. Lack of attractive alternatives to radical Islam.
6. Lack of broad Muslim dialogue about things like images,  apostasy, and other things that contributed to CH.. This is the Reformation issue and yes, I'm going there. Sure, plenty of Muslims have said in recent days that it's not OK to kill for these things. But that's not the same thing as asking whether the ban on images is really Islam, or it they has a place in the 21st century. The conversation is taking place seems confined to theologians with years of schooling and fluent Arabic, because these are traditionally the men who decide such theological issues, but these guys by the nature of their training and jobs are very conservative.  
6. Muslim victimhood mentality that looks to others to change themselves. Hello, Muslima! You're  a broken record of "Islam is peaceful, these guys weren't real Muslims, but anyway they were provoked by bigotry." I haven't seen a single call from Muslima, not one single call from you, for Muslims themselves to do anything themselves. Like, for example, step up efforts to stop the radicalization of Muslim youth, or have a larger dialogue about apostasy and other rules that were of concern in the CH case, or for massive Muslim passive resistence efforts such as marches against bigotry and racism. I can't speak for others, but I suspect this is why others are so frustrated with you. [/quote]

Those of you with short memories and little information who keep harping on this notion of French bigotry and racism should be reminded of the 2002 French Presidential election, in which the idiot socialist candidate managed to not even make it to the second round, prompting a runoff between the extreme right wing National Front who had received 15% of the vote in the first round and the Conservative candidate Chirac, who had been accused of corruption. Faced with the choice of the right wing extremist and the crook, voters turned out in record numbers to vote for the crook. We didn't see a lot of Republicans here deserting en masse for the Democratic Party when the Tea Party ruled the show. But yeah, the French are inherently racist. Mind you, I'd be surprised if the National Front doesn't win this time around.

[i]The choice between Chirac, who was under suspicion for actions carried out whilst he was mayor of Paris (see corruption scandals in the Paris region) but benefited from Presidential immunity as long as he stayed president, and Le Pen, a nationalist often accused of racism and antisemitism, was one that many found tough. Some people suggested going to vote with a clothes peg on their noses to express disgust when voting for Chirac, but this may have been illegal, because it is prohibited to advertise one's vote inside the voting precinct. In the days before the second ballot, a memorable poster was put up of Chirac with the slogan "Vote for the Crook, not the Fascist".[4] Chirac defeated Le Pen by a landslide.[/i]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_election,_2002

Since we are so much more open-minded, why don't we take in all of Europe's oppressed Muslim minority? The state of the economy here is improving by the day--they'll do just great.[/quote]

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