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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Finally we can close the book on the lies about why Russia invaded Ukraine.

It was never about "nazis" or "NATO" or "the west" - it's *always* been about revanchist Russian imperialism and colonialism.  Always.  From Putin himself:

[twitter]https://twitter.com/berlin_bridge/status/1747591868999774715[/twitter][/quote]
The reasons “NATO” and “the west” and Russian imperialism and colonialism aren’t at odds. [/quote]

Except for that whole Russian troop rape and kidnap thing.  Or maybe using incendiary weapons on civilian apartment buildings.  Or maybe if you just put aside all morals?

The problem is that this generation of Russians are so brainwashed that most of the sane Russians already fled the country.  I doubt many left in-country care or even have a moral conscious anymore?

On one hand, Russia is in a food crisis.

"shops in some regions are now selling them individually, for up to 20 Russian rubles (23 cents) an egg, according to the Telegraph. Other basic foods, including bananas, oranges, and tomatoes, have also soared in price over the past year due to massive labor-market shortages, soaring energy costs, and the plunging ruble."
https://www.businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-russia-economy-egg-price-crisis-soviet-union-ukraine-2024-1

Even the Russian Government's solution to the food crisis, is causing it's own crisis.

"More than one-fifth of the eggs imported from Turkey were found to be infected with the highly contagious H5N1 avian influenza, as well as other dangerous ailments including salmonella and botulism"
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-egg-crisis-nato-turkey-export-backfires-h5n1-bird-flu-1860155

You would think this would turn Public opinion against Putin.  I believe it will with educated in the cities, but not with the rural population.  This video will help explain why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzBS2hdXI14

I believe that Russia is a pressure cooker, with a lid welded on by Putin.  The more the pressure builds... well.[/quote]
We’ll see. If Putin is “successful” enough in taking Ukraine, it would ease a lot of that pressure. To be clear, I don’t want Putin to be successful. I simply have a bit of fear as to what would come after Putin.[/quote]

On the contrary.  If tomorrow Ukraine throws up their hands and surrenders (which they won't), what you would see is a repeat of the Holodomor / Holocaust (which Russian propagandists already announced they would do).  This would undermine any credibility the US would have diplomatically for many years to come.

But by the same token, I believe the occupation of Ukraine would accelerate the destabilization of Russia internally.

"saboteurs who are alleged to have poisoned and killed 46 Russian soldiers are on the run in annexed Crimea"
"In another incident, saboteurs killed 18 and hospitalized 14 Russian personnel in Bakhchisarai, Crimea, by putting arsenic and rat poison in pies and beer"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/female-saboteurs-poisoned-46-russian-103910678.html

"A main district heating pipe in the Siberian city of Novosibirsk busted on Thursday"
"Hot water and heating failed in more than 100 homes and 12 other buildings, while the hot water from the district heating pipe poured down a main road at minus 15 degrees Celsius."
"3,000 people in the harbour city of Vladivostok on the Pacific were without heating on Wednesday"
"n the nearby city of Nakhodka, 6,000 people were without heating, while disruptions in the cities of Yekaterinburg, Volgograd, Saratov and Penza in recent days were also reported"
"In St Petersburg, the rupture in a district heating pipe should be repaired by Thursday morning"
"In Podolsk, a city near Moscow, the heating plant of an ammunitions factory, which also supplies over 170 high-rise buildings, broke down on January 4"
"In the town of Elektrostal near Moscow, some houses had allegedly not been heated since mid-December, while people are keeping warm by open fires on the street"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-cities-battle-heating-outages-161211449.html

"A substation caught fire on Vysokovoltny Passage in Moscow, Russia, on the morning of Jan. 4, a statement from Russia’s Emergency Situations Ministry."
"The incident left over 20 high-rises in three Moscow districts without electricity and heating at -24°C"
https://english.nv.ua/nation/moscow-substation-fire-leaves-thousands-without-power-heating-50381424.html

"An unfinished skyscraper in Moscow caught fire on Jan. 13, with reports suggesting that Sberbank of Russia occupies part of the building"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/blaze-strikes-unfinished-tower-moscow-141100214.html

"A huge fire spread through a warehouse in St. Petersburg on Jan. 13 belonging to one of Russia's biggest online stores, Wildberries(*), affecting at least 70,000 square meters of the property, Russian media reported."
"Russia's Ministry of Emergency Situations said [b]the fire had been contained[\b]"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/massive-fire-sweeps-st-petersburg-133509648.html

* = Wildberries is the Russian equivalent of Amazon.

This is the Russian Government's definition of "contained":

[img]https://media.zenfs.com/en/kyiv_independent_articles_496/79c19a8bc2de98847f895fd5d7528b34[\img]

"Employees at the wildberries warehouse burned the giant warehouse down in protest at raids by Putin's fears OMON riot police."
"The action was reportedly taken after Russian police raided the Wildberries warehouse to find people to conscript"
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1855252/russia-fire-warehouse-st-petersburg-war-putin-wildberries

Does the Kremlin really believe that if they "win" that this activity will suddenly stop?  Although it my ebb, I believe this type of sabotage in Russia will be on-going for many years to come.  Even if the Kremlin magically captures all of Ukraine tomorrow and every soldier is returned home the next day, how will the Kremlin explain those that didn't return?  What happens when more and more criminals are placed in control of Russian weaponry as mainstream troops?  The Kremlin believes they are able to contain the Djinni within the bottle, but imagine terrorists and organized crime (ISIS, Russian Mafia, etc.) with access to Russian military technology or nuclear weapons?

"a draft bill to the Russian State Duma to allow foreigners with a criminal record to serve in Russia's Armed Forces"
"the draft bill did not distinguish between the severity of crimes committed, noting that under current legislation Russian citizens who have committed crimes of different severity can serve in the military."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-lawmakers-push-allow-foreigners-025505345.html

Such irony that "win" or "lose", Ukraine will mark the downfall of the Russian civilization (not just the Nationstate of Russia).[/quote]

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