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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Lincoln sent a supply ship.  They all knew that Sumter had to resupply and they didn't want them to do it.  [/quote]

That still doesn't change the fact that the South was the aggressor.[/quote]

Leaving troops in a state that seceded wasn't an aggressive act? One ship to resupply, or even two, would be hard pressed to be considered an aggressive act...ships to include war ships with additional troops...not a big leap to assume more than supply.

sloop-of-war USS Pawnee, 
steam sloop-of-war USS Powhatan, transporting motorized launches and about 300 sailors
armed screw steamer USS Pocahontas, 
Revenue Cutter USRC Harriet Lane, 
steamer Baltic transporting about 200 troops,
three hired tug boats with added protection against small arms fire to be used to tow troop and supply barges

All set to arrive on April 11, 1861. What date was the first shot fired?

Lincoln had one focus above all else...saving the union. Not everyone in the north agreed and we know the south wasn't on board. He also had states that had slaves that hadn't joined the Confederacy that he didn't want to swing...such as Maryland...so perception was very important.

Do I think Lincoln was the aggressor here? Sure. Do I think what he was attempting to do, on many levels beyond the ability to convey in this forum, was right? Sure do.[/quote]

Fort Sumter was FEDERAL land and property, not South Carolina.  South Carolina was attempting to seize a fort that wasn't theirs and which the Confederates had no lawful claim to.  [/quote]

Amazing how Lincoln got the popular support he needed after the 'battle'. Well...your limited focus/understanding is duly noted.
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Lincoln got popular support because everyone saw the South as the aggressor and the Union at Fort Sumter as the victim.  [/quote]

LMAO

Remember the Maine!![/quote]

Lameass analogy.  The South *actually* attacked Fort Sumter, dipstick.[/quote]

You either don't get it, don't want to get it or just don't care to consider the whole picture. The Remember the Maine was a facetious comment as an illustration that you can't just take ONE thing to understand a complex set of events. So, that's that. Have a great weekend.[/quote]

I know that George Bush has confused things, but the first person to shoot is [b]generally the one[/b] who started the war. "Remember the Maine" is about misinformation, not complexity.[/quote]

Bush? LMAO

Ironic, given the discussion, that you stated...''generally the one''...

Look...there is a plethora of information out there and if history is interesting to you it is some good reading. To consider that Lincoln was guilty of actions that precipitated a response that began the war does not absolve the south of it's secession or firing upon Sumter. Nor does it, IMO, indict Lincoln. But to not consider the facts you are missing out on the whole of the picture. I will never understand why some people cannot allow for anything less than an absolute to support their position. The fact is that Lincoln sent ships that had nothing to do with a simple resupply. Those ships and the men on them would lead any reasonable person to conclude there was more to it than that. Enough to even speculate of a possible invasion. Especially considering the size of the fort could not support than many men. Lincoln essentially gave the south two options...allow the 'fleet' to arrive and resupply the fort or act aggressively. To accomplish his stated goals he needed them to choose the latter and to give that the best chance he sent war ships with the barges.

If you have any interest...there are plenty of sites that discuss this...and btw...I am not a southern apologists...I am a lover of history and facts...ever read about FDR and WWII? Actions he took against Japan BEFORE Pearl?[/quote]

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