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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Okay, PP, the sura / verse you asked about is Sura 60:12 and the phrase, "Forging falsehood" does have the literal translation of: "nor producing any lie that they have devised between their hands and feet." In other words, (Yusuf Ali footnote) the refugee women coming to take the oath in Medina should not attribute paternity of their illegitimate children to their lawful husbands thereby adding to their monstrosity of their original sin of infidelity.

One can not begin life as a new Muslim based on more deception and lies. All past sins are forgiven with repentance. But the woman should simply be honest and not take any oath based on a lie.[/quote]
But I thought this wasn't about "beginning life as a new Muslim"?  Remember, they were Muslim already. So which is it? becoming Muslim or "voting"?  If voting, then I assure you that liars vote every day, and the right of voting isn't incumbent on moral perfection.  Tell me, which leader tells the voters - OK, I accept your vote as long as you are all of these things.   A pledge of allegiance isn't about "I'm perfect, I swear".  It's about "I choose this guy, and not another guy."

So first you tried to tell us this pledge is about voting for a leader. Now you say it's about "beginning life as a new Muslim".  First you denied that women were asked to comply with all of these conditions before taking an oath.  Now you say, well yes, they were, and it's  GOOD thing.

Again - where is the verse asking believing men to swear they didn't have illegitimate children before pledging allegiance?

Just choose already what it was that they were asked to do.

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PP, if the Prophet ascertained the religious status of women before admitting them into his tribe it does not make the oath exclusively for conversion. And if the prophet administered the oath of allegiance for admission into his tribe and examined their faith too, it does not mean the oath was accepted regardles of conversion.  This was an islamic state. There is no separation of church and state. Determination of faith was made prior to admission. I don't know why this confuses you so much.[/quote]
And that describes exactly my prior point - this was a background check for new immigrants, not a vote for a leader.[/quote]

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