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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It also may be too late for us to credibly pivot to normalcy.  The centrists are right that we have to back off of woke excesses.  But after Covid and the trans push, normal flyover folks don’t trust Democrats to be normal, even if our candidates look and act normal.  We all think, with good reason, that JD Vance is a crazy right winger.  But the average moderate family anywhere outside of blue coastal cities considers him way more normal than Tim Walz.  Walz wasn’t perfect as a “regular guy.”  People like Beshear and Shapiro would be better.  But Biden was supposed to be a regular guy centrist too, and didn’t turn out that way in the eyes of swing voters.  Even if Beshear or Shapiro apologize for Covid excesses and trans excesses, swing voters won’t trust them.  And, by the way, if they did apologize for Covid and trans excesses, we dcurbans would hate them for it.  Beshear and Shapiro look the part for a return to common sense.  But the party branding is wrong.  In spite of Trump’s crazy excesses, the Republican *party* owns the “common sense” branding in the eyes of swing voters.  Houston, we have a serious problem.  Andy Beshear and AOC are the possible paths.  Neither one of them can unite the party or excite swing voters.  [/quote]

If it came down to a Progressive vs Centrist (ex. Beshear vs AOC) it is going to go the Centrist. The centrist has the benefit of the southern secret weapon: Black Voters. I come from a southern traditional Black family who regularly vote democrat and they are never ever going to pick someone like AOC in a primary. Bernie failed in 2016 in the south and it will probably be a repeat of that situation. [/quote]

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