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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]With Manchin, we've been nice, we've been patient, we've held our punches back for a very very long time.  But all he did is act in bad faith and screw everyone over.  So why should we still be nice?
Republicans would have thrown him under the bus and called him a RINO long ago if he did to them what he did to us.[/quote]

No, you've been obnoxious just like the petulant progressives have.  The Democrats really, really need to rein in the progressive wing and their demands if they want to get anything done in the next 11 months.  If they don't, they are going to have one of the worst mid-term whitewashings in most of our lifetimes.  It's already looking bad for the Democrats and they keep mismanaging things to make them worse and worse.

Manchin initially said he wanted a package under $1.5T, preferably closer to $1T.  He negotiated in good faith and came back up to $1.8T including almost all of the package that was in the $1.9T package that the liberals wanted.  The only thing he wanted was to axe the child tax credit, essentially giving money just for having children.  He wanted to add a work requirement that the only people eligible for this would be those who were actually working, plus means testing so that only those making less than $200K HHI would qualify.   So that those who were well above the 75th percentile nationwide were not going to be getting payouts when they didn't need them.

He was willing to compromise and instead of getting a good faith negotiation from Biden's team, some snotty WH staffer decided to try and bully Manchin and browbeat him into toeing the line.  Biden needs to get his team under control because being so arrogant that you kill a negotiations is not the way to handle things when you have the absolute minimum possible majority in one chamber and only slightly more than bare minimum majority in the other chamber.  Biden needs to bench whoever blew the negotiations and replace them and go back after the holidays and try and woo Manchin back, more politely this time.[/quote]
You know absolutely nothing except how to bloviate.  Blame the republicans and play-acting Dems like Manchin.  [/quote]

November 2022[/quote]

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