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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Jeff needs to delete this thread[/quote]

you can report it and let him decide
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I reported it once for a clean up and he didn't do it. I just don't understand this thread is VILE. I keep posting so if there are overweight or obese people reading this they know that plenty of people don't feel like this. [/quote]

I am overweight! I had my third child a few months ago and it was a difficult pregnancy and I still weigh over 200 pounds! And I still fit comfortably in a plane seat. Those people do not fit comfortably in a seat without affecting the people next to them and they should need to pay for another seat. It’s just logic. When your size starts becoming other people’s problem, it becomes other people’s business.[/quote]

As many other people have said in this thread, this is the airlines fault. They don't have clear policies, they screw people over, and then they let the people scrap it out and turn on each other. No one acts well on an airplane in my experience. Well that is not true I have had a lot of people show compassion to me when I traveled with children, but people are usually just shuffling through mindlessly.

We should not accept obese people being put in this situation where they need to be publicly humiliated by a fellow passenger. Have a weight limit in the booking process, have it trigger the need to buy a second seat, have it anchored into the systems so it can't be changed. FORCE airlines to treat human beings with dignity.[/quote]

How would the airline know when these people booked tickets, especially if it was online.  The passenger should have handled it very differently but those to people should have sat next to each other or paid for a third seat. [/quote]

Can you read? I'm saying airlines should bake this into the booking process so this can all be taken care of discreetly. [/quote]

Not the PP, but how are you going to ensure that the airline gets correct information for people booking tickets online or through a travel agent or over the phone? If you ask someone to disclose their weight and tell them that everyone over XXX pounds will need to buy another seat, obviously the motivation for them to say they are XXX-5 pounds is pretty high. For that matter,  how are you even going to standardize this question? What is the weight limit? What about a height limit? Will you ask everyone booking tickets to put their height and weight in when booking tickets? As for having it "anchored into the system", what about if a person loses (or gains) a significant amount of weight?

I get the general idea of your proposal, but there is no way to implement this that doesn't encourage people to lie or shame them.[/quote]

There is shame in the entire thing. If we want to eliminate shame than allow people to self identify at a weight where they will automatically be placed in economy plus or something for no extra charge.

But I disagree that this would not work. No fat person wants to be publicly humiliated on an airplane. If there was a way to lay out the situation ahead of time and know that they wouldn't be embarrassed in the moment I would imagine a lot more people than you think would use that. Severely overweight people are cognizant of how they do not fit, they are stressed out about it. I know a person who, if she's meeting someone at a restaurant for a business meal or something, she will go drop in ahead of time to make sure she can fit on the chairs. These people don't want to be the center of attention.

And you pick a weight where -5 pounds doesn't matter. 250. Most people over 250 will need a second seat, most people under would be able to be as obtrusive as a tall person or a pregnant person or whatever. So it doesn't really matter when a 253-er lies. What matters is that all 275ers take the second seat.

I don't think it needs to be anchored into your profile, just something you need to enter when you're booking the ticket. You have to put it in every time just like all your other info.

Doing SOMETHING would be better than this. [/quote]

I'm the woman who posted earlier about still being over 200lbs after my third pregnancy, and I would love to "self identify" with being x+1 lb so I could get a free upgrade to a bigger seat!! And you think those obese people were feeling shame about being so obese and causing those problems? The obese woman was literally eating the whole time, not apologetic in the slightest, and clearly didn't have a care in the world.

Seriously, why should everyone else need to pay extra (which is what you're suggesting, since money doesn't grow on trees and big business always gets theirs) so that morbidly obese people can fly in comfort for a low cost?

How about instead of seeing flying coach for a cheap price as an entitlement, you start seeing it as a privilege. You need to frame it like, "for the people who can comfortably cram into these sardine cans without touching or affecting your fellow sardines, we offer you the opportunity of getting to the other side of the world in several hours for the unbelievably cheap price of $YYY. For the rest of you, we offer a range of seating options that we hope would fit you and be comfortable, but we're in the mass market business so our service will not be appropriate or available for everyone."

And also, honestly, from the perspective of someone who has a lot of weight to lose and hopes to do so, having these types of things as incentives to lose weight is actually a good thing. The world shouldn't just adjust so big people can get bigger. That is really not helping anybody, despite what I know are your good intentions.[/quote]

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