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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Regardless of all the intricacies people are talking about, sometimes it’s good to remember the big picture:

1) Russia invaded Ukraine, completely unprovoked, and Ukraine never posed a threat to Russia.

2) For America, this is a DC board trolls, this war is already a big victory for the US. No lives lost and a decimated stockpile of Soviet equipment for Russia. They will never be able to restock all that equipment which was built over decades by a much larger and powerful country, the Soviet Union. The US needs to continue supplying Ukraine to continue the slow bleed out of Russian legacy equipment and ammunition.[/quote]

The lesson that will be learned is that Western democracies have incredibly short memories, and incredibly little ability to commit to a coherent policy to oppose a non-democratic invader.  Russia has won a victory and now knows that it can win wars of attrition against the west.  [/quote]

I’d hardly call where Russia is a win.  They’ve taken about 10% of Ukraine territory (in addition to about 7% which they controlled from 2014). The territory they’ve taken is complete rubble.

What did the 10% cost them? A majority of their Soviet stock of weapons and ammunition built over many decades. A further increase in demographic issues, lives lost and a further decline in birth rate. A troubled currency and busting of trading relationships. A brain drain of professionals.

I can’t see how land is with it, this isn’t hundreds of years ago where land held more value. Productive economies are based on people these days. Also, the drain will continue, I doubt Ukraine will be quitting this war anytime soon.[/quote]

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