Reply to Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

Forum Index » Political Discussion

Reply to "Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University "

Subject:

Emoticons





More smilies

Text Color: Font: Close Marks

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Perhaps we should shift our focus onto Tyler’s parents who thought is was perfectly acceptable to probide their young child with machine guns rather than blaming a possibly trans roomate?[/quote]

It's safe to say that his militia upbringing had a role but so did the roommate/boy-girlfriend.  It's all connected and they are all internet nut jobs.[/quote]
But if you prioritize the issues here, the trans roommate is the least important unless he is an accomplice. It all began with Tyler’s parents giving him machine guns obviously.[/quote]

They can't be separated like that.  They fed into each other.  The main common denominator is the radicalization and violent rhetoric that came at this guy from two different angles.[/quote]
Nope the #1 common denominator is that a radicalized person was given guns.[/quote]

It's not because if it wasn't a gun then it would have been a bomb. [/quote]
Sure, let’s get rid of guns first.[/quote]

Zero people killed by bombs in the US last year.

>40,000 killed by gun violence.

Seems reasonable to start with guns.[/quote]

Can you break out that 40,000 gun violence figure?

What was gang on gang, self defense, accidents, police line of duty, domestic disputes, and how many political assassination kills? [/quote]

I could if I thought that was relevant.

You are free to also do research.[/quote]

FBI gun killing stats are pretty robust 
>75% gang on gang, 
5% self defense, 
1% accidents, 
8% police line of duty, 
3% mass shooting of over 1 person/ non gang; 
5%+ self defense /domestic disputes,

and how many political assassination kills? 
<0.01%
[/quote]

lol.  I won’t even bother doing a real analysis.  Please note, though, gang-related homicides does not mean gang on gang. It includes innocents.

Here’s the chat GPT
——————————-

Your breakdown of U.S. gun deaths by type contains several inaccuracies. Here’s a corrected and evidence-based breakdown:

🔍 Breakdown of U.S. Gun Deaths (2023)

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), in 2023, there were 46,728 firearm-related deaths in the United States. The distribution was as follows:
	•	Suicides: Approximately 58% (27,300 deaths)
	•	Homicides: Around 38% (17,927 deaths)
	•	Unintentional (Accidental) Shootings: About 1% (463 deaths)
	•	Law Enforcement-Involved Shootings: Approximately 604 deaths
	•	Undetermined Circumstances: Around 434 deaths

❌ Debunking Your Breakdown
	•	75% Gang-on-Gang: This figure is significantly overstated. Studies indicate that gang-related homicides account for about 13% of all homicides annually  .
	•	[b]5% Self-Defense: Self-defense gun use is extremely rare. Research suggests that defensive gun uses by private citizens are infrequent and not a common justification for firearm possession  .[/b]
	•	1% Accidents: This is approximately accurate. Unintentional firearm deaths accounted for about 1% of all gun-related deaths in 2023  .
	•	8% Police Line of Duty: This is an overestimation. Law enforcement officers were involved in approximately 604 deaths in 2023, which is a small fraction of the total gun deaths  .
	•	3% Mass Shootings (Over 1 Person/Non-Gang): Mass shootings, typically defined as incidents where four or more people are killed, account for less than 0.5% of all homicides in the United States  .
	•	5%+ Self-Defense/Domestic Disputes: While domestic disputes are a significant context for homicides, self-defense situations are rare. The percentage of gun deaths resulting from domestic disputes varies, but self-defense incidents are not a major contributor to gun-related deaths

Your estimates significantly overstate certain categories, particularly gang-related deaths and self-defense incidents. The majority of gun deaths in the U.S. are suicides, followed by homicides, with much smaller proportions resulting from accidents, law enforcement actions, and mass shootings.[/quote]

Options

	Disable HTML in this message
	Disable BB Code in this message
	Disable smilies in this message

Review message

Search Recent Topics Hottest Topics