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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Looks like the rat infestation was heavier than originally thought. God how disgusting![/quote]

I feel VINDICATED!  A couple of you doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on me that there were no mice/rats in the house. I told you -- no way!  I know mice and know how they work.  For several postings, and links that I provided, I insisted that there were mice in that main house and that the house was not as clean and you guys assumed.

You guys called me crazy.  But here it is!  The house apparently was more like I described.  To have died from Hantavirus, there had to be a lot of exposure to mouse droppings.  No way Betsy walked out to a barn one day, breathed in some droppings, and walked back in and fell over.  Mice are disgusting and they multiply very, very quickly.  Once you see a mouse, there are many others nearby.  And they leave droppings all over the place.

There were at least two or three of you that kept harping on me and said that I was crazy because the reports you had read only said that they found some evidence outside of the main house and along near other buildings.

The door was left open; the style of house was open to outside access; Betsy was a 65 year old woman caring for a 95 year old man with dementia. They had called pest control/maintenance and that is who found them a few weeks later.

Sometimes on dcum, you have to believe the posters that say they know this crap, no matter how badly you want to believe that an icon like Gene was living in a dirty, rat infested home.  He's a person, and maybe cleanliness was not their thing.

Some of you have posted the articles. I am reposting here:  https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/gene-hackman-betsy-arakawa-property-020726959.html[/quote]
However… from that article:
“The feces were found in two small homes, three sheds, three garages and two vehicles, per the outlet.

Rodent activity was also found in three detached garages.

[b]The public health department determined that the pair’s main house showed no signs of infestation.[/b]

So it’s as those posters were saying.[/quote]Nope-- you are wrong. Again, mice just do not work that way.  She did not get Hantavirus from walking outside of the main house each day for weeks on end.  She got it by driving around in her car, and I'm certain there were mice in that house.  She probably cleaned up after them because with the doors kept open, there is just no way.  Smart people and people who have had mice know this, but we will let that charade continue.

Also note that "found no evidence of" is not the same as "there were none there."  They just didn't observe any at the time of their investigation, which goes to show that all of the others observed were out in the open!  Imagine finding live and dead mice in the cars!

Bottom line is that the property will have to be condemned or will sell at far below value if anyone wants to purchase it with a known health hazard that is deadly.  That's sad. Many pest control companies could have helped a bit more. The problem with the mice in many ways was the property architecture and location.[/quote]

Was it mice or rats?[/quote]

It’s deer mice that generally carry Hanta but I don’t think the PP has much knowledge about what it’s like to live in a place like northern New Mexico.  I’m from Arizona.  The issue is that when the land is so dry there is a lot of dust and stuff gets aerosolized.  So if you are doing something that pushes up air and it gets into your nose, that can spread hanta, so it could have been from outside exposure if she kicked up dirt, or it could have been from a barn or something.  Also mice out west don’t tend to live in houses the way they do here because most construction is solid concrete or adobe, not wood/drywall like you have here—I never knew anyone in Arizona that had mice inside the house llle is so common out east.  In garages or outhouses, yes, you can get mice.  Most of the US cases of hanta come from NM or AZ.  Here’s an info sheet from a county in I think Arizona that indicates you can get it from yard work if you kick up the dust:

https://files.arapahoeco.gov/Public%20Health/Disease%20fact%20Sheets_en/Hanta%20Virus.pdf

I think hiking around a remote property could be the same — anything that kicks up the dust by where the mice were living.

In AZ we also get valley fever that comes from kicking up spores in the dust — you inhale the fungal spores that live on the dust.  I think hanta is the same way—you inhale the virus as dust without realizing it.   Because there’s no humidity in the air stuff just gets kicked up into the air and you inhale it more easily than out here.   That’s why cowboys wore bandanas over their face! [/quote]

Seriously, thank you for this clarifying info. It would seem that people with asthma or lung issues shouldn't live there, yet I hear of people with asthma relocating there.[/quote]

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