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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Interesting the protests aren't going on when US is heading towards relocating entire population of Gaza [/quote]

I really don’t think anyone cares. Not many anyway. [/quote]

This.  Nobody cares, and most people feel they're going to get what they deserve after 77 years of fomenting terrorism.  Now, cue the pro-Hamas indignation....[/quote]

A truly ugly thing to say. Historically, it is Zionist terrorism that ethnically cleansed 750,000 Palestinians from their land, massacred 15,000 of them, and raped and mutilated many more. You stereotype all Palestinians, including children, as "terrorists" who are getting "what they deserve." This is clearly racist. You fail to consider the horrors Israel has committed against the indigenous population of the region for decades. 
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Israel never started a war but it did finish them. And Arab Muslim imperialists have attacked Jews in the region for centuries. Hamas and its predecessors aspired to literally kill every Jew - it was in their respective charters. Palestinians literally conspired with Nazis. Lastly, stop hiding behind your hate for  “Zionism”, which is simply the belief that Jews should have a safe, peaceful place in their indigenous homeland.  Palestinians had decades to build toward a healthy state, instead they invested in terror tunnels and made Sinwar and other Hamas leaders rich.

Most Jews vote Democratic and most Jews voted for Harris. And most Jews also believe in safety, peace, and security for Israel. Hamas will never agree to that so enough with blaming Israel for “genocide”. You start wars then you pay the consequences. 
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[b]Israel has most certainly started many wars[/b] and conflicts against the Palestinians and committed many atrocities. Zionist imperialists have been attempting to genocide the Palestinians and steal their land since the Nakba. Hamas has replaced "Jew" with "Zionist" in its charter. Judaism is a religion. Zionism is an ethnosupremacist cult based in a fundamentalist interpretation of the Hebrew Bible and the narcissistic and racist belief that the aspirations of one religious group trump those of another. That might have gone down during the Bronze Age. It's considered downright evil today.

To claim that "Jews should have a safe, peaceful place in their indigenous homeland" is incredibly self-centered. Palestinians are far more indigenous to the region than Europeans who may have, for example, 80% Polish DNA. This claim is simply an extremely weak excuse to colonize other people's land and ethnically cleanse them from it. And again, how very selfish to claim "Jews also believe in safety, peace, and security for Israel." Zionists need to acknowledge their responsibilities to the people they have abused and genocided for 77 years and to consider safety, peace, and security for them, too.

People need to stop thinking of themselves as belonging to this or that ethnic group and acknowledge their common humanity and mutual rights. The idea that one group should be privileged over another is racist and does not accord with modern, humanistic thinking (although we must acknowledge that the world is currently in a temporary regression). It is past time that the Palestinians receive the rights granted them by UN Resolution 194, which states they must either be allowed to return to the homes from which they've been driven or receive just compensation from what has been stolen from them. If you want UN Resolution 181, you have to accept UN Resolution 194. Either accept both or give up on both. Until Israel abides by international law, common sense, and basic morality, it will always experience opposition and will never be safe.

Germany pays reparations to Jewish victims of the Holocaust (for some reason, much less to the Roma). Israel must do the same for Palestinians. You can't just take, take, and take some more and never be held accountable for your evil.

There will never be peace without justice. Currently, Israel has adopted policies of very ugly in-group favoritism and out-group demonization. We know where that leads ...

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So much nonsense in your post but starting here:

1) Which wars did Israel start? Curious.

2) Less than half of Israelis are of from Europe. Many of them came to Europe to flee the persecution of the Islamists and before that were enslaved by Romans (among other invaders). You don’t get to persecute Jewish people, force them from their homeland, and then denounce their indigenous connection to the land. 
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The existence of Israel is one, long war crime. Israel has been sly in declaring war, but it has certainly waged war. It effectively declared war on the indigenous people of Palestine when it began ethnically cleansing them from their homes and land during the Nakba, and it hasn't stopped since. It is currently at war in the West Bank, shooting and raping children and (as usual) destroying Palestinian homes.

What "Islamists" were persecuting Jews in Europe? The Nazis certainly did, but that wasn't the fault of the Palestinians, many of who encouraged Jews to seek refuge in Palestine in the early days. I think you're confusing Zionists and Palestinians here. It was Zionists who began persecuting Palestinians and forcing them from their homeland and then denouncing their indigenous connection to the land. How do you manage to get so mixed up? I guess you've been brainwashed all your life. Or maybe it's just convenient for you to believe you can steal other people's property.

I don't think the Roman connection counts after 2,000 years. If we all started claiming land where a (small?) percentage of our ancestors came from, there'd be absolute chaos. One of my friends has Italian, Scottish, Nigerian, and Vietnamese blood. Does this make her "indigenous" to those countries? Can she drive people from their homes in each and claim their land? Think about how absurd your claims really are.

About 45% of Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi (as I am), meaning they have European blood. I have mostly European DNA, but I could get a home on land where the true indigenous people have roots going back for millennia, while they are ousted as refugees. Many other Jews from Israel come from North Africa. Very few are truly "indigenous." [/quote]

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