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And just as ice skaters attempt that jump despite risks for the joy of skating well, so too do Muslim women convert and leave their disbeliever husbands for the joy of being a devout Muslima. This is Islam. Most Muslims adhere to this with complete understanding. Nobody is being disinegenuous. You threw out some erroneous "facts," or unsubstantiated facts, or incomplete facts. If you are going to say Islam requires converts to end their marriages to disbelievers, then why not also explain that it will permit separation for even long periods of time to allow couples to work through it?  It shows some leniency and compassion in what you wish to present as a harsh rule. Well, its only harsh to you but you don't need to get worked up over it since it doesn't affect you.

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That Islam requires female converts to end their marriages to disbelievers is neither erroneous nor unsubstantiated.  You are confusing "allowing the couples to work through it" with "waiting to see if the husband converts". Whether any of this affects anyone personally is beside the point; there is no requirement that any of this affects anyone personally to have an opinion about this.

And anyway, all of this is beside the point.  The issue of ending marriages between Muslim women and non-Muslim women came up in the context of your assertion that this verse allows women voting rights without approval of their guardians.  Leaving aside the sheer lack of similarity between voting and pledging allegiance, these women WOULD NOT have any guardians because Islam views non-Muslim husbands they left behind as unworthy either of guardianship over their Muslim wives or of their company in the marital bed.   Do you deny that?  What kinds of guardians could these women have had in the absence of male Muslim relatives?  Even today, new Muslim converts have to use a sheikh to stand as their guardian in marriage since their own parents aren't deemed suitable for the role.

But as I also pointed out, not for long - Islam also cleared these women for marriage to Muslim men as long as they reimbursed their disbelieving husbands for whatever they paid their wives as dowry. Much like returning the item to the store. Since Islam encourages marriage, I'm sure these ladies would have gotten fixed up as soon as possible (if their dowries were, you know, affordable) and then they would have proper guardians.[/quote]

Here are the erroneous "facts" you mentioned:
- that Islam requires the oath ONLY for women. Patently false! Read the entire Quran and history. This would mean the rules that applied to women did not apply to men, and men could therefore commit infanticide, and freely fornicate to their hearts desire right in front of the Prophet himself if they pleased. Its ludicrous to think men did not have to abide by the oath but women did!
- that women with illegitimate children were somehow screened and possibly prevented from taking the oath. No. As nonmuslims, women were engaging in all kinds of unislamic behavior like adultery and infanticide, and it would not have been a shock if they had illegitimate children. Actually, when a person converts the sins they committed unknowingly are washed away and their soul begins anew. Converts are deemed to be of a higher status in God's eyes than born Muslims because of the hardship they often suffer. So to imply that women with illegitimate children were screened or prevented from joining the tribe just goes completely against my understanding of Islam.
- that the oath has no connection to voting whatsoever. Wrong. It was the precusor to womens voting rights because it allows women to give the oath regardless of the presence of a guardian. As far as evidentiary hadith, the well known rule is that hadith does not carry more weight than the Quran and if the hadith can not be supported or substantiated by the Quran, you should be careful about relying on it. If you need to pull out a hadith when you can't find a Quranic verse to support your statement, its a red flag that maybe your statement is not authoritative. 
- that Islam never gave women voting rights. Wrong again. Sura Ash Shurra did, by using plural language while God/Allah asked everyone to decide on relevant matters collectively. ALL relevant matters. This flies in the face of the hadith you offered and if there is any conflict between hadith and Quran, the Quran trumps hadith.
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