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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.[/quote]

The crux of the issue is Chinese, Russian, and other American subgroups don’t want to go to elementary schools that are predominantly Hispanic or black. That’s the reality whether others want to tiptoe around it. Notice the counter argument is “go to Ps6” which is on the UES, is 63 percent white and 16 percent Asian. Other posters are demanding successful outerborough families make decisions they’d never make themselves. [/quote]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but if a kid is in a predominantly Russian or Chinese or whatever else neighborhood, the zoned public school will likely be a majority people from that group? So can't they kind of do a coup and demand excellence. I know it is far from as easy as I make it sound, particularly with the nightmarish bureaucracy of the DOE, but it is worth a shot and just as likely to succeed as resting ones hopes on "G&T". Just because something is labeled G&T and has some increasingly arbitrary test doesn't make it great. [/quote]

School boundaries and ethnic community boundaries are too porous and and don’t overlap either. How much interaction is there between the Orthodox and black residents of Crown Heights? Geographic proximity does not equate to social proximity ant all. Ditto residents of 96th st east and 100th st east, they’re only four blocks away but they have zero meaningful contact other than Nannys or janitors on the UES

Again, by focusing on tests and G&T being ended, you’re simply demanding outerborough ethnics go to schools with blacks and Hispanics in a misguided belief it’d help the their performance. There’s nothing more to your policy preference no matter how it is spun [/quote]

Not true at all. I live on the UWS. Zones are tiny so are fairly contiguous communities. Even each of the very top UWS gen ed schools has a smattering of NYCHA or whatever else. But when they were redrawing the lines about six years ago the families at 199 (which is mainly Lincoln Towers) were getting split and combined with a large NYCHA complex so they fought hard to make sure the lines for their homes were drawn favorably (i.e. not including NYCHA).

If a school is 75% one ethnic group then that group can influence how things are run. Personally, I would put my hopes more on this than on my 3 year old succeeding on a useless test.

I think G&T is a decent idea for older kids. But starting in K is silly. And the obsessiveness about it among people is mischanneled energy. It really isn't that great. My kid got in to G&T about 8 years ago. We were underwhelmed. They done incredibly well without it. Kind of like how people obsess over Stuy. Plenty of other great options and your child can have a much happier four years of high school. We know tons of kids at Bronx Science and there is a cohort there whose parents see them as epic failures for not getting into Stuy. WTF?[/quote]

It doesn’t have to be great, G&T just has to be better than the local alternative. Sure, Bronx Science is fine as far as public high schools go.

Very few schools are 75+ percent one ethnic group. Within white and Asian and black and Hispanic are so many sub groups that compete and argue.

Thanks for being an uptown educated white from Manhattan telling an outer borough minority how to run our affairs. I’m sure your experience among octogenarians spending 100+ dollars at Zabars lunches applies to middle class Brooklyn residents. [/quote]

And thank you outer borough person telling me how to run my affairs. [b]I am living here because I have successfully navigated the system. My family started out where you are. We kept our mouths shut, worked really hard, figured out how the system works (rather than how we wanted it to work) and through a few generations worked our way up[/b]. I'm still not rich but I'm comfortable. I'm just trying to provide some constructive suggestions but the usual know-it-all attitude and slander doesn't help.

And by saying "Bronx Science is fine" shows how warped your perspective is. It is one of the best high schools in the world. It is spectacular (I do not have a child there though we strongly considered it). Brainwashing your child to think Stuy or bust is horrible parenting. I am all for setting ambitious goals but that is setting your child up for failure. And I know countless schools who score well enough for Stuy but don't want it because they don't want to be surrounded by those types (and no, this is not a racist comment - I know many Asian families who feel this way).

The lack of emotional intelligence, self-awareness and worldliness demonstrated here is astonishing. Or perhaps it is to be expected. Who knows. I'm out. Best of luck to you.[/quote]

Do I understand you correctly that you are comparing the achievement of multiple generations of your family with the situation of someone who is a first generation immigrant?  Despite my cultural illiteracy, I know the meaning of being born on the third base.[/quote]

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