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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Occasionally I read Jewish newspapers--have read some Haaretz articles but do not have a subscription, and also Times of Israel and Jerusalem post. On Haaretz site I can certainly read comments even when I can only see the headline, and can see comments for the other media as well. There are of course comments from all sides but the pro-Israel comments (I can't say how many of them are from Israelis vs other countries) are the absolute worst in referring to ANY Palestinian as an animal, subhuman, etc. New Yorker had an article about a Palestinian physician (Israel has a lot of Palestinian doctors) who volunteered to provide medical care in the field on October 7 and practices otherwise as well in Jerusalem with both Jewish and Palestinian patients. Some of her Jewish patients deeply appreciate her but she also constantly hears horrific comments about, say, a Palestinian newborn being a terrorist who should be killed.

These characterizations aren't even stated anonymously in mainstream comments by pro-Lost Cause racists in the US, they keep themselves (I'm sure) to the Nazi back alleys of the internet. But they seem to be broadly acceptable among some Jewish communities. The first I really became aware of the settler movement was years ago in a magazine like Time or something, where settlers spoke about Palestinians in the exact same most racist terms Americans have ever said about Native Americans (terms I actually heard on occasion growing up in a state with a substantial Native American population).

An aside to posters I noticed yesterday (can't find now) about how we don't give the US back to indigenous peoples (ignoring the fact that by the time America was approaching being a country 90% of the original inhabitants were dead). In fact, from time to time we DO give land back. A reservation my family used to drive through going to visit my grandparents on the other side became 10x larger sometime in the late 1970s, and in many other incremental ways tribes have been using the courts to regain rights they had lost a century or more ago. (Gorsuch happens to be knowledgeable in Indian law and has come down on the side of tribes in SCOTUS cases during his time on the bench) [/quote]

Re: your second point about Native Americans, here’s what you said: “in many other incremental ways tribes have been using the courts to regain rights they had lost a century or more ago.”

Ok. If the Palestinians had tried incremental/legal channels maybe they’d have had some success too. If they had tried literally any other tactic than just unrelenting murder of Israeli civilians for decades - they might have gotten somewhere. But they keep trying terrorism over and over and over again and then wondering why no one is giving them a state. If the Cherokee kept blowing up Pizza shops and stabbing random people on buses and kidnapping babies, I’m doubting they would have gotten any land back.[/quote]

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