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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Occasionally I read Jewish newspapers--have read some Haaretz articles but do not have a subscription, and also Times of Israel and Jerusalem post. On Haaretz site I can certainly read comments even when I can only see the headline, and can see comments for the other media as well. There are of course comments from all sides but the pro-Israel comments (I can't say how many of them are from Israelis vs other countries) are the absolute worst in referring to ANY Palestinian as an animal, subhuman, etc. New Yorker had an article about a Palestinian physician (Israel has a lot of Palestinian doctors) who volunteered to provide medical care in the field on October 7 and practices otherwise as well in Jerusalem with both Jewish and Palestinian patients. Some of her Jewish patients deeply appreciate her but she also constantly hears horrific comments about, say, a Palestinian newborn being a terrorist who should be killed.

These characterizations aren't even stated anonymously in mainstream comments by pro-Lost Cause racists in the US, they keep themselves (I'm sure) to the Nazi back alleys of the internet. But they seem to be broadly acceptable among some Jewish communities. The first I really became aware of the settler movement was years ago in a magazine like Time or something, where settlers spoke about Palestinians in the exact same most racist terms Americans have ever said about Native Americans (terms I actually heard on occasion growing up in a state with a substantial Native American population).

An aside to posters I noticed yesterday (can't find now) about how we don't give the US back to indigenous peoples (ignoring the fact that by the time America was approaching being a country 90% of the original inhabitants were dead). In fact, from time to time we DO give land back. A reservation my family used to drive through going to visit my grandparents on the other side became 10x larger sometime in the late 1970s, and in many other incremental ways tribes have been using the courts to regain rights they had lost a century or more ago. (Gorsuch happens to be knowledgeable in Indian law and has come down on the side of tribes in SCOTUS cases during his time on the bench) [/quote]

I mean, I have no doubt there are evil racists in Israeli society, just like there are in every society. Your position seems to be that Jews/Israelis are UNIQUELY evil and racist, and that lets me know that you either have an agenda or you’re just making assumptions based off sh*t you read on the internet. The COMMENTS SECTION? Come on now.

Fun story for you: my grandma lived with us growing up and only spoke Farsi, so we got middle eastern satellite TV for her (pretty sure illegally but I digress). Anyways, we got a bunch of channels that were broadcast in the Muslim world - Al Manar (the Hezbollah channel), the Arabic version of Al Jazeera, IRIB (the official channel of the Islamic Republic of Iran), a bunch of others. If you think the comments section on Haaretz is shocking, I have news for you. It was NONSTOP, WALL-TO-WALL, HORRIFIC antisemitism. All day, every day. Israelis being portrayed as demons with horns and being set on fire. The Statue of Liberty being blown up, her face melting. Ads for video games where the targets were people with Jewish stars on their backs. Constant tearful tributes to suicide bombers. These are all specific scenes I remember seeing as a kid. And this wasn’t some randoms on the internet - these were official TV channels broadcast to huge audiences in the Middle East. Al Manar reaches 50 MILLION people.

You don’t actually believe that “what is said about the Palestinians by many people IN Israel is more loathsome than anything you see elsewhere” right? Because that’s patently absurd.[/quote]

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