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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...[/quote]

They come because Republicans keep hiring them. [/quote]

Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families 
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)  [/quote]

All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?

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You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US.  Trump can do it on Day 1 and should.  There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

[b]Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused[/b].  [/quote]

Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?[/quote]

Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine. [/quote]

American workers don't want those jobs.  Even for $26 an hour.  And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry.  You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.[/quote]

then we need to give those foreign fruit pickers status. we cannot have a permanent underclass who live in the shadows, are both exploited and stealing ametican identities /exploiting american citizens.  i used to work in a medical clininc in TP MD and so many people were sharing SS#s and scamming medicaid.
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There is already a guest worker program for migrant farmworkers. If farms are using undocumented labor, it is because they don’t want to use existing formal channels. We can all speculate as to why.[/quote]

So it boils down to employers choosing to hire undocumented workers. Want to stop this crap? You find out who's employing them and fine *them*, punish *them*, regulate *them.* Going after the migrants won't work unless there's nothing here for them unless done legally. But Trump/MAGA/any Republican really won't do that because it's too fun to punch down on the "illegals." [/quote]

Punish both sides. At the same time .

All criminals and fraudsters deported immediately. High priority.

Stop citizenship by birth too. A fruit picker doesn’t need to show up with wives, aunts, children. [/quote]

OR legitimize and regulate the employment relationship.

Create a guest worker program designed to cover existing employed undocumented workers who are paying taxes and otherwise following the law. Create a curing period where workers and employers can together obtain guest worker status and valid visas in order to remain in their jobs. Employers who continue to employ undocumented workers after the curing period will be fined to help pay for the costs of deporting those workers. Employers who knowingly employ workers (with or without visas) who are violating tax law or committing other crimes are also fined. Guest workers must submit to monitoring and if they don't remain in good standing with regards to taxes and avoiding criminal activity, they are deported.

Use tax apparatus to encourage the employment behaviors we want and discourage those we don't. Use fines and regulation to punish employers who attempt to avoid the program or use it inappropriately to undercut American workers. Crack down on undocumented independent contractors using cash businesses to avoid both legal immigration and paying taxes. Require such workers to apply for valid business licenses on special visas and then make this info easily available to consumers so that it's easy for people to hire documented workers as independent contractors. Fine people who hire undocumented contractors. Use fines to help fund that system that will process and monitor guest workers and conduct deportations when necessary.

This can be a pragmatic, technical resolution that helps everyone. It can have punitive elements (deportation, fines) for negative behaviors but overall it should operate as a carrot instead of a stick. Immigrants who want access to jobs in the US should only be able to get them through legitimate means.

Throwing everyone out makes no sense when such a large portion of undocumented workers are gainfully employed in jobs for which employers desperately need workers and these workers and employers pay taxes and are not otherwise violating the law. If we legitimize these workers and regulate them that will make it easier for us to go after the immigrants who are NOT otherwise complying with the law and the employers who use undocumented workers simply to undercut American workers and avoid taxes.[/quote]

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