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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I wish the other team members were getting as much press as Biles is.  They pulled it together and won silver. That says something positive about their mental health/resilience. [/quote]

*1.  It’s been treated like an afterthought by the press.  That is a tremendous accomplishment.[/quote]

They are being treated like they lost. [/quote]
They did lose, didn't they? Russia won and it wasn't a favorite going in.[/quote]

They were favorites going in based on a team selected that included Simone competing all four events. Not only did they have to do 3 events without her, to win gold they would have had to overcome Simone's vault score. To compare, Simone's high score on vault at nationals was 15.8 and she got something  like a 13.7 or 8 yesterday. O[b]n top of that, the other team members subbing in had not even warmed up on the apparatus they were not originally designated to compete on. [/b]

Did the other three under perform? You could make an argument that two of them could have done better. Jordan Chiles definitely could have. However, Suni Lee tied for the highest bars score, had the second highest beam score, and on floor, the event she did not plan to compete, she got the 8th highest score of all gymnasts. That is an absolutely incredible performance, especially under the circumstances. [/quote]

Those trashing the performance of the other women aren’t helping Simone’s case. The bolded is being ignored — anyone want to think about the mental stress of being told — mid-competition in the freaking Olympics  —  that you have to perform an event that you didn’t even warm up for? What about their mental health? Not to mention the fact that there is probably someone lower on the team who wasn’t as good all around as Biles, but would have done better on one or more of the remaining events than the three that were left. I think the woman who is competing in the individual all-around is 9th on the team, but placed very highly (like 2nd?) in qualifying on an individual event.

I do think it would behoove her to show a bit of sympathy for her teammates. She acts like she was doing them a favor. “It was best for them that I quit.”  Really?  What would have been best for them was if she had quit before the event or even before the Olympic trials. “You don’t owe anyone a gold medal.” If you try out for the Olympic team, you actually do owe your teammates — and the country you represent.  It was the [u]team[/u] event she dropped out of.

Not to mention the fact that she made sure, by doing it the way she did, that everyone us talking about her, not the women who had to step up and perform.

I’m not saying she should have continued, but I haven’t heard anything from her that sounds like contrition or sympathy for the awful position she put those three women in. It seems like these days, citing your own mental health excuses any kind of harm done to others — “mental health” means never having to say you’re sorry? 
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Awful position?  Are you serious?  These women have been training their whole lives to get to compete at the Olympics.  It sucks when someone has to step down, but it is an OPPORTUNITY for the others who get to step up and replace her.  To get so close, and be the reserve, has to be far more heartbreaking than getting a chance to compete.

You must not do Olympic sports.  In my sport we had a couple last minute substitutions, and while we were all heartbroken for the competitors who couldn’t go after ALL those years of training and getting on the team…[b].the reserve is absolutely ecstatic to be competing.[/b]  That’s normal.  Not to feel put upon.[/quote]

The bolded is true only if the reserve has been training for it and warmed up properly.  No one is ecstatic to perform in something unprepared. [/quote]

Of course they have been training for it, they are the traveling reserve.  They are literally treated as if they might need to step in any moment as the competing athlete…because they might.  That is how being the reserve works.  [/quote]

They had not warmed upon the apparatus they weren't designated to compete on. Jordan Chiles was not rostered to do bars and beam, and Suni Lee was not rostered to do floor. Apparently they didn't warm up on those events in the practice gym before the competition. [/quote]

The “apparatus” are all set to a very specific standard so there isn’t that much difference among any of them.  I am sure the reserves had done the routines many, many times on a basically identical structure—as evidenced by the fact they rocked it.  I am sure they are delighted with their opportunity to compete. [/quote]

So, now we’re back to “these women are tough and have absolutely no reason to be stressed?”  The double standard here is amazing. Biles backed out on events that she had prepared and warmed up for, and that’s perfectly understandable — praiseworthy even! — but these women are “delighted” to compete in events they didn’t get to be prepared for with millions of people watching? No extra stress there.  :roll: [/quote]

The other women presumably weren't suffering from mental health challenges as Biles was.  You sound like you don't believe mental health is a legitimate concern, and that makes me pity those who have to be are around you.  [/quote]

DP. “Presumably” is doing a lot of work in your post. [/quote]

Half the posts on here are lurid descriptions of how dangerous the sport is and accusing anyone who does anything other than praise Biles for how brave she was of not caring if she died.  However, the women who were suddenly put into the position of performing in those same events with no warm up on the biggest stage there is are “lucky” and should be “thrilled” to be put in that position. I guess these events aren’t dangerous for them. [/quote]

I appreciate what you’re trying to say and agree that those gymnasts were put in a tough position that they rightfully wouldn’t necessarily feel thrilled or lucky to be in. But I think you’re conflating two different risks. [/quote]

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