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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]1.  The wishful thinking argument was put forth by believers.  They contended that a world without absolute justice was intolerable and therefore the atheists must be wrong.  It is a bit of wishful thinking on your part to attribute it to the atheists, when they were only rephrasing what the believers said.

2.  If God is omnipotent, saying something like "God transcends the universe" is a weak excuse.  [b]It is impossible to imagine that God cannot make himself visible.[/b]  In fact, the Bible has God talking directly to Moses, appearing to the Apostles in the Transfiguration, becoming the Son of Man who rises from the dead, performing miracles, and occasionally showing up to peasants in various places around the world.

Either these things are not true, or your assertion is false.

If it is false, one has to ask [b]why God does not appear in a way that is unambiguously clear in the modern world.[/b]  But these things really weren't true, then what exactly are you worshipping in the first place?[/quote]

A child sidetracked me, so my other points will need to wait until tomorrow, but a quick response to these points:

Before skipping ahead a few steps to the claims of Christianity, just think about the idea of God, the Creator, directly addressing His creation.

We are finite, physical beings in time and space, while God is an infinite, immaterial being outside of time and space.  (Since we have been stuck at the first step, whether God exists at all, we have not moved on to His attributes, but bear with me a moment.)  If we could fully comprehend such a being, we would not be human.

(Then there is the separate issue of honoring free will, but that gets involved, and has been debated earlier in the thread.)

As to unambiguous revelation in the modern world...again, you are demanding evidence of God as a being of your possible complete comprehension, which is impossible.  But if you are looking for instances of phenomena that defy scientific explanation, even after being subjected to scientific inquiry, there are several which could be subject to your consideration.  As the video-rationalist stated, for the doubting Thomases out there, needing that kind of evidence is part of the human condition for some people.  Off the top of my head, I can think of the tilma of Guadalupe, the Miracle of the Sun in Portugal, and medical miracles at Lourdes.  Maybe one of them would be your "My Lord and my God" moment.  Or maybe you would say miracles are not possible.

In any case, I will have to work on my next point, which is the problem of morality in a materialist universe.

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How can you say it is impossible.  This is an assumption that you have made or something that you have been told.  We do not need to completely comprehend God, just to have evidence that he exists.  He is all-powerful.  He can control natural phenomena.  He can speak.  He can appear in the form of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Burning Bush.  There are any number of ways that he could convince scientists that he is real and unfortunately we have a really meager historical record to go by on these events.  If God were willing to make the moon spin the other way on a set date and time, I am sure that most physicists would be throughly convinced.

There is this other subject of free will. The argument that proof of God's existence does not take away free will.  We still need to choose to follow him, and the bible tells us that others who had proof did not.  What is the virtue in the expectation that we have to believe in something without proof?[/quote]

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