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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Finally, you asked why women taking the oath had a lengthy list of strict, oppressive conditions attached.

It wasn't a lengthy list at all. And it was not oppressive.
The list asked anyone, not just women, who was taking the oath, to not commit infanticide, not commit fornication or adultery, not attack Muslims, and not attack Prophet Muhammad. Hardly oppressive. In fact, pagan arabs those days were engaged in all kinds of cruel or indecent behavior, and it was an abomination and affront to humanity.[/quote]
I personally think that the requirement not to commit adultery or fornicate is oppressive. I'm glad the US requires nothing of me in exchange for voting other than citizenship and proper age. [/quote]

Well thankfully no one is suggesting you convert to Islam so you don't need to feel oppressed.

The requirement to abstain from fornicating or committing adultery is not oppressive at all to most Muslims. But if it is, then a fornicating Muslim would still be a Muslim, albeit a sinning Muslim.[/quote]

Actually, plenty of people do, but whatever.

Then why require proof of not-fornicating as a pre-requisite for pledge of allegiance/voting?  And where is that requirement for men?[/quote]

I don't know how many Muslims you know but the majority of practicing Muslims do not fornicate and they especially do not commit adultery. Those who do are not very devout. The requirement is part of an oath to let believers know the behavior expected of them to live in that tribe. Adultey, fornication carry punishment so wouldn't you want to be forewarned before you take such an oath?[/quote]
I ask, again, where is this requirement scripturally required for men?

I know lots and lots of Muslims but let's leave that aside for the moment. You have argued that "pledge of allegiance" equals voting.  I countered that this surah looks much more like a background check for new immigrants than a vote for one candidate amongst many.   A pledge of allegiance is like "you can join us as long as you are all of these things."  A vote is like "I choose you over that guy and this guy".  Candidates do not ask voters for moral perfection, they would court prostitutes as long as it would drive up the vote count. A pledger courts the favor of those accepting the pledge.  The candidate, conversely, courts the voters. The power relationship is very different in these two scenarios. You argued that one is just like the other.  I don't see any resemblance.

What you are arguing, essentially, is that joining Islam/Muslims equals voting. That's a huge, huge leap of faith, pun intended.

Adultery and fornication in Islam carry punishments whether you live in Medina or not.  Presumably, those entering Islam would have been well aware of that.[/quote]

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