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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]Regarding kids who don't speak English getting special consideration: last time I looked, most schools were taught in English. So if the kid doesn't speak English well by K, they will be behind, no matter how brilliant they might be in their native language. These kids will have lots of catching up to do so I don't think G&T would be the right place for them. [/b]Parents planning to raise their kids in America should immerse their kids in English. Have them sit and watch Sesame Street or something similar all day. Have them listen to Clyde Frazier call Knicks games. Cab drivers listen to the radio all day to learn English.

Kindergarten G&T is dumb. My kids took the test. They actually did really well on them. We are zoned for a great public and thought it was better than G&T. But unlike so many other parents whose kids do well on the test, I did not see this as proof that my snowflake was brilliant. My child also bombed the Hunter test.

I'm not sure what the right answer is. I really don't like Mamdani but don't totally disagree with him on this, though I think that getting rid of G&T should be a low priority for him and he should have just dodged the question as he dodges so many others.

These activists getting so upset about this because they think they are so smart are just showing how dumb they are, but most of them proved that long ago.[/quote]

You are very wrong.

I am an immigrant, and my kids did not speak English well until they started K.  They caught up super fast.  Same story with many of my friends.  In fact, I haven’t met a single normally developing child who was really bright in their native language and couldn’t quickly catch up to the same level in English.  It’s NBD.

What is really hard, though, is keeping up the native language once the kid gets immersed in English, so it helps to get a good head start there, that’s why I did not emphasize English with my kids until they started school.  As to the benefits of being bilingual, you are welcome to do your own research.[/quote]

And they were likely behind socializing. Which is a huge part of what kindergarten is about. And they are less proficient in idioms, cultural references, etc. You are exactly the know-it-all immigrant the other poster was referring to above - your metrics for "succeeding" are very different than those of many native born Americans. But you are so convinced that you are right and the rules of your community are right, rather than stopping to look around.

Fluently speaking a second language is a very nice to have, but not a need to have. Native fluency in the language of where you live is more important. And again, I think we have different definitions of "native fluency."[/quote]

Yea. If that poster’s five year old doesn’t listen to Taylor swift talk about Kelce’s junk inside of her then they missed out on socialization and cultural references. Good ole American values [/quote]

I am just talking about knowing who Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are. Way to oversimplify things. Further proving my point. You live your best life. I'll live mine. Then you will complain about your kid not getting into top schools because they didn't do well in interviews and essays and complain that it's not a meritocracy.[/quote]

My sons went to MIT and Princeton and have had promising starts to their careers. I’m “FOTB” as another poster calls foreigners. [/quote]

I’ve lost track of this issue but I seriously hope people are not stupid enough to vote against someone who is overwhelmingly a candidate who wants to work for people other than the billionaire class over a stupid gifted and talented school issue, especially for testing of 3/4 year olds. Seriously. Get a hold of yourselves. There are lots of good Gen Ed elementary schools. Use a friends address if you need to and move on. [/quote]

Not PP: I've voted on G&T alone before. Everyone has specific issues that are important to them and are free to vote as they please. I'm sure you have based decisions to vote on issues that I think are asinine. G&T isn't a stupid issue, especially when you have a child reading at 3.5 yo. And yes, kids can be, and are already, being tested at that age in NYC.[/quote]

If your kid is so smart move out of your outer borough immigrant-only community and move to D2 or D3 where there are lots of great zoned public schools. And contrary to popular opinion, there are plenty of affordable apartments in these areas or, as someone else noted, you can easily use a fake address, get your kid in, then they can't be removed. Not that hard. These schools are better than G&T. Also, despite being in allegedly wealthier neighborhoods they are super diverse, both ethnically and socioeconomically.

Also, reading at 3.5 doesn't make your snowflake brilliant. I have two kids. Older one was a late reader (and also a very late talker). Younger one started reading super early. Years later the older one is clearly a better student than the younger one - older one is extremely bright (4.0, high score on SHSAT, etc.), younger one is above average but behind older sibling at same age. Unlike you, I realized that early on so when everyone raved about how brilliant my early reader was I was humble and explained that there are lots of ways to measure intelligence. And I don't go around publicly advertising how smart my kids are.

Most importantly, both of my children are well-rounded individuals who can discuss sports (I don't get the sports haters in this thread - sorry you got picked last in recess as a kid), popular music, film, art, understand an off-color joke, [b]are kind and respectful [/b]but can also be goofballs. When they get to college they will be able to have deep conversations with professors about esoteric academic topics then go off and have a blast at a fraternity/sorority party. They have very diverse friends and are comfortable in almost all situations. I am more proud of many of these characteristics than their high score on G&T when they were 4.[/quote]

With you as a parent, I don’t believe the bolded.

And sorry you didn’t get invited to parties in HS.  Your social status anxiety clearly still affects you a lot.  [/quote]

All anyone said is watching sports all weekend long (like tens of millions of Americans do) is a waste of time and he goes nuclear. Just another overweight middle American man who likes IPAs and thinks his children are a gift to the world. [/quote]

No. You are rushing to extremes. There is a big difference between spending the entire weekend on the couch watching sports and spending some time watching so you have basic conversational knowledge and know Aaron Judge from LeBron James. It really isn't that hard. [b]It is basic cultural literacy. [/b]No different than knowing the difference between Bach and Taylor Swift or Monet and Basquiat.

Again, feel free to stay in your isolated little world. But don't complain when your kid doesn't get into Ivies because of "intangibles."[/quote]

You reminded me of a story from my childhood.  I came from a decently educated but poor family (the reality of the country where I grew up).  We once visited a distant relative of ours who was much more affluent and she showed my mom her closet with several wool coats in it.  My mom was astonished at that opulence and asked why one might need multiple wool coats.  To which my relative answered: “You’ll never understand, it’s a sign of being cultured!”[/quote]

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