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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Unvaxxed people by choice  should not be able to get medical help. They endanger others. You can’t accept medical expertise at the end if you dont at the beginning. And I’m not sorry for this opinion.

Drink your bleach. Eat tide pods. Pray it away. Whatever. But no hospital for you. ESPECIALLY when families like this then criticize medical personnel for not doing enough to save their kid. Buddy YOU DIDNT DO ENOUGH. It is YOU that killed your child. [/quote]

People say things like this and posture like they're dispensing tough love. They're not. Here's how you know: there are lots of things that are endanger public health that we tolerate and celebrate that have *zero* upside. Junk food. Recreational drug use. Sedentary lifestyles. As to people who recklessly overindulge in these, no one suggests withholding medical care--and for good reason; it's totally ghoulish. [/quote]
Junk food only threatens the health of people who eat it. Sedentary lifestyles only threaten the health of the people who are sedentary. Recreational drug use is mostly illegal and can be prosecuted. Slipping recreational drugs to other, unknowing people is a crime. However, people who are unvaccinated by choice and not for medical reasons present a real threat to the people who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. They can spread contagions to vulnerable people. If 98% of the people who can safely be vaccinated are vaccinated, that protects all of the people who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. My avoiding junk food and exercising doesn’t protect anyone who eats junk food and is sedentary. That’s why the things you listed are different. [/quote]

That would be a reasonable response if contagion were the only negative externality that can result from a health choice. Of course, that is not the case, and a fairly obvious one is the staggering healthcare  costs that come from treating disease that could have been prevented or managed through sensible lifestyle changes. [/quote]
No one is complaining about the money that it costs to treats children with serious measles complications. This isn’t a financial discussion. What’s being discussed here is the toll that non vaccinated people take on the health of people who can’t be vaccinated. There’s a very easy, effective way to prevent the spread of measles. When people opt not to prevent measles, they become vectors for transmission of this highly contagious disease and the result is an outbreak, which can kill or maim young children and people with weakened immune systems. Obesity health complications costs us all more money to treat, but one person’s obesity doesn’t impact another person’s health, which is what the problem is with non vaxers.[/quote]

You can't just disregard the inconvenient externalities by saying no one is talking about them.

Also one person's obesity absolutely *is* correlated with the next person's. I will grant you that that correlation is not the result of viral or bacterial transmission.  [/quote]

Yep. People who make lifestyle choices that result in them costing more and consuming more in terms of hospital capacity, healthcare facilities, taxpayer money aren't any better than your reviled anti-vaxxers.  Ironically anti-vaxxers live in their own communities and don't disproportionately consume public resources unlike drug addicts, obese people, and people engaging in dangerous activities like reckless driving, extreme sports or drug experimentation. Every action has a reaction that reverberates in the society at large.  Isolating one group of people to blame for the entirety of our healthcare issues is stupid. [/quote]
Lol, who blamed anti vaxxers for the entirety of our healthcare issues? There are many, many problems with American healthcare. I wouldn’t rank anti vaxxers very high on a list of them. However, they are a serious threat to infants and people with weakened immune systems. [b]Guess what’s way easier than losing a ton of weight or conquering drug addiction? Getting vaccinated[/b].[/quote]

It's where you are wrong and will never understand the underlying issue.  It's not easier.  If people have deeply held fundamental beliefs (religious or ideological) that these injections irreversibly alter their bodies or mutilate them in some ways it's not easier for them to take vaccines, it's harder than let's say losing weight and moderating substance use.  you won't get it, because you feel morally superior.[/quote]

More like fundamental delusions, because it does neither.  But if you want to go all in on nature is better and God knows best, stay home when you get your preventable disease. You want natural? Accept that measles is one way that Mother Nature keeps the human population in check- by killing and disabling children. God gave you vaccines - demanding anything more is just hubris. [/quote]

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