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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]PP they are not forced but the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school. those dogs have both effects on students.[/quote]

[b]Oh, stop. If this is your kid, please get them some stress tolerance training, or therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

Otherwise, please kindly stfu with this nonsense. You're a mess.[/b][/quote]

Yuck you got out on the wrong side of bed today[/quote]

Not really. I'm just fed up with people acting like their slightest discomfort should require formal accommodations.

"the sight of one indoors even for a day or week is enough to make students not want to go to school."  Really, though? Is it? Because if the mere sight of something you dislike simply existing where you can easily avoid it is enough to make you want to quit your obligations entirely, well, you need some stress tolerance training, or maybe therapy, if the aversion is due to past trauma.

It's nonsense, and it's messy. I guess I could've not asked someone, mock-politely, to STFU with their messy nonsense, but, you know, I don't owe people being crazy demanding a gentle audience for their madness. [/quote]

I think you need to remember you're talking about young children, and that kids' fears about dogs are actually pretty rational -- dogs are larger or similar in size to many kids,but they are animals and if not trained and socialized, can be very dangerous.

My daughter was afraid of dogs from about 5 to 8. To teach her not to be afraid, we couldn't just say "dogs are fine! They can't hurt you." Because a dog could hurt her. Instead we taught her to pay attention to the behavior of dogs and their owners. To notice the difference between a reactive dog and an non-reactive dog. To pay attention to whether the dog was leashed or not and how short or controlled the leash was. And with time she learned to relax around safe digs, the well behaved ones whose owners took care with them. But we also had to teach her strategies for dealing with dogs who aren't well behaved, whose owners don't train them or restrain them. To pay attention when a dog like this is coming and make choices to avoid them and keep herself safe. Unfortunately, here are more and more dogs like this, and their owners are often oblivious, so they would work against us ("He's friendly!" As their dog bounds up to our clearly terrified kid and tries to pick her face, not getting that the dog's personality is totally beside the point in that situation). So yeah, it took 3 years and now she's ok.

[b]But what were you saying? Something about 1st graders sucking it up and dealing with having dogs in their school, and not being such snowflakes?[/b] I can't remember what your point was.[/quote]

I never said any of that mess.

It's sad, because your paragraph about teaching your kid for how to handle her fear is exactly what i was actually talking about. Your kid had a phobia, for whatever reasons, and you taught her how to negotiate a world that wasn't going to be trigger-free for her.

But then you got all reactionary and weird, so I'm not quite sure you're the best example. I'll try again: the point is, if your kid has an issue, it's your job to help your kid learn to navigate the issue, not to demand that the world bubble-wrap itself so your kid never encounters something that might trigger their issues.

If you didn't agree, you wouldn't have done what you did for your kid, so I'm not sure why you're getting ugly with me about it...[/quote]

No, I don't agree with you. Schools should be dog-free because it can take as much as three years to help a young kid through their fear of dogs, a my kid deserves to feel safe at school when she was a kindergartener, 1st, and 2nd grader. And gave dogs hanging out at school would not have made her feel safe during that time.

Your argument that parents "just" teach their kids not to fear dogs ignores the fact that you can't do that overnight. You assume if a kid is freaking out about a dog at school, it's because their parents gave done nothing. No, it's because this is a small child and a lot of small children are afraid of dogs and it's much more important to accommodate kids in schools than dogs. [/quote]

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