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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]^^ And Putin is just executing the playbook, line-by-line, announcing every step.  Unfortunately, he probably doesn't realize that the current U.S. policymakers were too stupid and didn't read the Soviet doctrine military manuals.

That's what you get for hiring flower children who do well at Happy Hour instead of professionally-trained experts.[/quote]

Lol.  The Russian army was about to collapse.  The contract army was about to go home.  Mobilization forces them to stay while the sham referendums allow conscripts to be sent to Ukraine.  They're just desperately trying to hold on.  It's all short term thinking. Just trying to survive until Spring at this point.  One last chance at hoping the energy blackmail will cause Europe to split.[/quote]

Correct.

I, a pro-Ukrainian French person, have every sympathy for the Russian people, and do think we need to offer humanitarian visas. They already protested the war in the Spring, and got beaten up, threatened, put in jail and fined. But as usual, it's the poor people who will suffer: the ones who cannot afford plane tickets, who don't have cars to leave the country. Dozens of thousands of Russian men will die for a delusional war they didn't want for a leader they never liked. Just because their suffering pales in comparison with what the Ukrainian people is collectively suffering, it doesn't mean they deserve it.

Putin should be tried for a genocidal war against Ukraine AND putting his own people in grave physical and economic jeopardy.
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You have sympathy for the Russians because you don’t talk with people who live there. I talk with them daily because I have plenty of friends and relatives in both Ukraine and Russia. Most of those who are still in Russia are brainwashed, support their “special military operation” and are happy that Ukrainians are being killed. My friend’s husband is subject to the second wave of mobilization, and I asked her if they consider leaving the country. She said no way, he’ll join the army if ordered and their sons will too. Her husband’s parents live in a Ukrainian city that’s being bombed by the Russians every day. And he is ready to come and help to bomb the city where his parents live and where he was born and raised. I have no hope and sympathy for those who are still in Russia and would fully support if the US could kill their entire government and media propagandists. All my sympathy is with Ukraine. [/quote]

+1.  The strategy needs to place more pressure on the Russian Government internally.  Shut down all borders to the West.  Repatriate current Russian Refugees.  Deny all visa travel to/from Russia so that even the party officials can't get their own children out.  Russian refugees, knowing that they are labeled vyrus or nerus will not be keen on falling in line.  I would make it clear that the ONLY way out of Russia is to go ahead and mobilize, then take your chances by immediately surrendering to Ukrainian forces.   I would also offer defection incentives (ex. if you provide information or equipment to Ukraine, you'll get a monetary bonus).  This should further demoralize the Russian armed forces, and reduce their effectiveness (can you trust any mobilized person?), and encourage mobilized Russians to disobey the orders of their superiors.

Remember that Putin could, in theory, start a nuclear war at any time.  It is more difficult to do the more Russian internal infrastructure and military is bogged down.  This is the only way I see that keeps Russia off balance - to water down the current propaganda by flooding in information from the outside world gathered by Russian refugees.

This may seem cruel to the refugees, but you need to understand that if you let all protesters out of Russia, you're doing Putin a favor my making it easier to enact the mobilization and wage war.  This will help Russia to take control of its own destiny and chart a new path forward - by having the "rational" people back inside their own country.[/quote]

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