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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For example, PP can watch this video and then perform some crazy mental gymnastics to claim there was no proselytizing.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xvyx139IXI[/youtube]
[i]"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart." [/i]

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Prove to us that the Mongolian mom didn’t ask about the missionaries faith, and they were simply answering. You can’t.

What amazes me is that mom spent weeks with the missionaries, in Mongolia, on the plane, and then in the Cayman Islands, before they finally told her about Jesus. They must be piss-poor missionaries. [/quote]

They know they need to build trust first.

I'm sure they've thought through their technique. 
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So 3rd world citizens are ignorant as well as poor? They don’t have the mental capacity to make decisions based on their own feelings and thoughts? I am stunned people here are denigrating 3rd world people so. Just because they are in poverty doesn’t mean they are stupid.

Religious people are called mentally ill here as well. So according to dcum, mentally ill religious missionaries are preying upon ignorant 3rd world people.

What a narrative.

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[b]I didn’t say anything about people from “3rd world” countries. [/b]And I included an example of proselytizing in the US. Should I repost that one?

I’m talking about the behavior of some missionaries.

It’s unethical.

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Exactly. You STILL haven’t answered the question about whether poor people (in developing countries or the US) can make their own choices, or do you think they’re too dumb. Because that’s all that’s left when you haven’t been able to prove that people are forcibly converted.

This undermines your whole argument about banning missionaries.

So yeah, time to put down that glass of Malbec, sit up in your deck chair, and answer the question. [/quote]

I did answer at 16:05 and have earlier in the thread.

No, I don’t think they are dumb. I think the people receiving critical care/help from missionaries are vulnerable. Sometimes even facing life or death situations.

And I included an example of missionaries proselytizing in the US. Did you miss that? I can repost.

The issue isn’t helping people. Or even proselytizing - if it’s welcomed. It’s proselytizing people when they are extremely vulnerable that is unethical.

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You still aren’t answering the question. You’re just posting the same old claims without proof. You keep saying “vulnerable” but it proves nothing because…
- You’ve given zero evidence of this actually happening, of vulnerable people being denied care or food because they wouldn’t convert. If you had a Mongolian mom who was denied care that would be something, but you don’t. 
- You continue to ignore the people upthread who said they didn’t see proselytizing. 
- Even someone who’s vulnerable can pretend to believe and then go back to their original religion after the treatment is over.

Also, people haven’t latched onto your post about missionaries in the US because it proves nothing, except that now it looks like you think people abroad and in the US are dumb.

Please, tell us why even vulnerable people can’t make their own choices. Assuming they aren’t threatened with care being denied, for which you have zero proof.

You don’t think poor people (in the US and abroad) are capable of this. Why?[/quote]

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