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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This claptrap about our democracy being threatened is just ludicrous. We have been hearing this since Trump's nomination and even more so after Trump was elected.

He has been in office for well over 4 months and what has he done so far that represents a real threat to our democracy? We still have a free press, our elected representatives still openly express their opposition to Trump, late night comics still make fun of Trump, the courts still function and issue injunctions on EOs that they deem constitutionally questionable, people are still posting on this and other forums expressing their strong opposition to Trump both personally and in terms of policy and sometimes in quite offensive language.

I have lived for brief periods in countries where freedoms are proscribed to some degree or the other and the US is not even remotely akin to these countries and it would take a serious erosion of our democratic institutions for us to get anywhere close to those countries.

This hysteria about what Trump can do or is about to do is sheer nonsense. We have multiple safeguards to prevent autocracy in this country.[/quote]
You simply are not paying attention.

[b]Our judicial system is being discredited and undermined.
Our press freedoms are being threatened and undermined.[/b]

If you don't already see and know this, then you need to open your eyes.[/quote]
Provide specifics as to what he has done to actually impact our judicial system or press freedoms.

I heard and read when the right-wing would attack Obama and how he was undermining our democracy and it was just as nonsensical.[/quote]
There is a difference between right-wing commentators saying that a POTUS is undermining the judiciary and a POTUS himself saying that the courts are not to be trusted.  I'm sorry (truly, because I believe your views will win the day) that you can't see the difference.  Civil liberties are rarely removed overnight, they are chipped away at bit-by-bit.  Trump is hastening a process that has been going on for a while.  People should have woken up under Bush, they should have woken up under Obama, and now we've got an unhinged man in the Oval Office with all the consolidated power cultivated by our last two Presidents.  The sharp transition from POTUS many Americans trust to lunatic with the ability to issue drone strikes against US citizens, order dragnet-style surveillance, etc is pretty jarring.[/quote]

First, let me say that I appreciate the civil and reasoned response. I agree with you that we need to always be on our guard against attempts to limit our freedoms and civil liberties. My point is that despite all of the hysteria that this is happening under Trump his critics are not able to cite what he has actually done in this regard.

Just to be clear, I did not vote for Trump and I actually find the man to be offensive and unqualified but I am respectful of the democratic process and he won under the system that we have for selecting a president. I don't respect the man but I still respect the office and so I accord to him the respect that he is entitled to as president.

As I said I have lived in countries that range from being almost akin to dictatorships to those that are subject to benevolent autocracies which are ostensibly democratic and much of the criticism that is leveled at Trump and before him other presidents would result in severe penalties and even physical harm in those countries. This is why I think the hysteria that Trump is a threat to our freedoms and democracy goes beyond the pale.

I heard Dershowitz opine that after the first EO banning entry from certain countries when the judge in Seattle blocked the order and another judge in Boston said the order was legal, he said Trump should just say that he was going to follow the Boston judge's ruling - he nonetheless complied with the injunction.

Trump has autocratic tendencies for sure but he has so far realized his limitations as president. [/quote]

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