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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The left is pissed because there is truth to his statement.  [/quote]

That doesn't even track.

1) There's no truth to the statement at all.
2) Even if there were, why would that anger "the left?"[/quote]

Absolutely there is truth.  He created the vacuum that allowed ISIS to emerge and grow.  It was actually predicted that a scenario like this would happen when he pulled all our troops. 
And, if you can’t figure out why this would anger the left, you are clueless.  [/quote]

ISIS was founded in 2006, it arose out of an already existing organization that was created after the invasion of Iraq. How you can lay that at the feet of Obama is beyond me, but a ludicrously high percentage of people seem to blame Obama for Katrina so I guess anything is possible.

The US troops in Iraq were replaced by Iraqi troops. When ISIS launched its takeover of western Iraq, there were more Iraqi troops in the area then there were ISIS fighters. The Iraqi troops were also better equipped. However, those troops simply fled. This was not a power vacuum, but a legitimacy vacuum. The Iraqi government had failed to achieve legitimacy in the eyes of the Sunni population and the troops were not prepared to fight on behalf of a government in which they didn't believe.

The ISIS takeover of western Iraq could not have happened were it not for the instability in Syria which allowed ISIS to establish a base in that country. If George Bush's invasion was responsible for ISIS's birth and infancy, the West's destabilization of Syria nurtured the organization through adolescence. Certainly Obama shares some responsibility for this, but for the most part he has been perhaps the single restraint on our involvement there. 
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Direct quote from this article:
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The group that would become ISIS was founded in Jordan in 1999, and became devoted to holding territory in Iraq after the US invasion in 2003. You can debate which of these constitutes ISIS’s "founding" in some metaphysical sense. But by any definition, the group was founded well before President Obama came into office. Trump is just flatly wrong on this[/i]

Link to article.  Great reading:

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/11/12438744/obama-founded-isis-trump[/quote]

From Vox.  No bias there [/quote]

Facts don't have a bias.  But as it seems you're willing to dismiss the cited piece out of hand, could you point to the purported errors with which you take issue and provide evidence that refutes them?  [/quote]

Those aren't facts. That's an opinion. [/quote]

Maybe in bizarro Trumpworld.  Please share with us your opinion as to when ISIL was founded (or AQI if you prefer) and the names of the founders and point to empirical evidence that supports your opinion.  I'll get some popcorn.  [/quote]

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