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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NP. Because there are low income apartments, and public housing with many units within the Payne catchment[/quote]

Which buildings are you referring to? I just pulled up the Payne boundary map next to google maps and didn't recognize any big public housing projects. ( http://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/publication/attachments/Payne.pdf ). Looks like there are a few apartment buildings near Kennedy Row, some near the old Boys and Girls club, and some four-unit buildings by the south entrance to the metro station, but much of the rest looks like row houses from the satellite imagery. [/quote]

They're thinking of the projects that are actually zoned to Tyler, I assume. Still, unsurprisingly, the housing stock near DC Armory isn't very nice/the residents aren't well off; that should change gradually once DC Armory closes. Although Miner is actually a marginally better school now in my opinion (mostly leadership, I think), Miner got pretty screwed with the rezoning (the new catchment area is WAY less gentrified than most of the existing area) while Payne didn't, so I'd probably bet on Payne long term. Tyler is still the most screwed long-term, because the[b] Potomac Gardens[/b] seem to be, if anything, getting worse. But remember that schools with housing projects can do fine, is clearly the #3 elementary school in the Hill now and it has a not-very-nice housing project in its zone plus some other sketchy apartment complexes.[/quote]

a lot of the PG and Hopkins kids go to Friendship Chamberlain for PK-8.  It's like 700+ students and entirely FARM.  Payne, Miner, and Tyler range from 1/4-1/3 IB which suggests that they're not simply places of last resort for the nearest public housing.  They're likely magnets for public housing outside of Ward 6, as the IB numbers are inflated by IB ECE who may ride out a year or 2 of PK.[/quote]

PK3 is almost entirely IB at Miner this year and, I believe, entirely IB (as of now, could clearly change) for next year. At any of these schools, the PK3/4 program is totally useable (though I'd still lottery for better local options), the upper grades are an entirely different conversation. [/quote]

right, and the question becomes -- who's enrolled for K-5 at Miner, Payne and Tyler if the low IB numbers are even lower if you exclude ECE?  Tyler OOB numbers are probably boosted by SI, but what's the OOB attraction to Miner and Payne for K-5 if it's not IB?  Payne has some DC General kids but not enough to account for those numbers.[/quote]

yes. I think that's the crux. Where do the K-5 students currently attending these schools live and how does that change as the current ECE population ages (assuming that large numbers of the current ECE population can't peel off to another hill ES because they are full) and the school continues to fill ECE with in-bounds?

Or more generally, what's your list of conditions to flip schools at this level and where do these schools stand on meeting the list? 
- enough IB demand (proxy for high SES?)
- principal who can lead and effectively serve both populations as school transitions
- teachers who can serve both groups
- facilities
- usable aftercare
- active/determined pta or other parent group

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