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[quote=Anonymous]PP, genuinely, thank you! I am the one who criticized your wording and you are literally the first anti-redshirt person who I've ever seen on DCUM who seems to have actually looked at the academic literature out there. I'm happy to actually discuss the research; it's the broad generalized statements without citations that drive me up a wall. You are correct that the statement you made that I found the most overstated was the following (not the part about the mixed short-term results, which I agree with, but the second part):

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There's mixed evidence about redshirting's short term value but studies that have examined the effect of redshirting by the time kids have become teenagers show that it is, on average, counterproductive. Kids have greater social problems and are more likely to get into trouble, possibly from boredom.
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I still find that quite exaggerated wording (perhaps you can see why I consider it to be overstating what's out there?), but I appreciate better the point you were trying to make now.

I am out now, so can't respond substantively as I don't have my files with me (but I will). However, a couple of statements before I can get back with my own files and more substantive answer: in my opinion the only general body of research concerning relative birth age and outcome that I consider to be have been widely substantiated are the large cohort studies that link ADHD diagnosis rates and relative classroom age. Those studies featured large population groups, have been repeated across multiple populations, including non-redshirted populations, and are longitudinal in nature. The rest of it, at least the research that I know about (and there's always more out there), is too sparse to be considered (in my opinion) a "trend" one way or the other. I know some of the research you cited (though I don't think highly of some of it, to be honest), but it's not nearly as comprehensive or thorough as the ADHD/relative age research. Therefore, I tend to weigh that research more heavily. I don't think that the ADHD/relative age studies are studies in favor of redshirting, but I do think that for students who may fit the profile of ADHD, relative age is a risk factor that should be considered.

I'm always happy to learn about studies I haven't encountered before, or to take a new look at research I might have read before and perhaps discounted. If there's truly substantial evidence indicating a negative trend, I'm happy to change my mind. I've done it before on other issues.

More later! Looking forward to a good discussion![/quote]

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