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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If scientific knowledge and philosophical inquiry reveal to you that you don't believe in a diety, lovely.

But if I showed the same I information to a believer and they continued to have faith, we couldn't say they had made a mistake or failed to understand the arguments.

That's what I mean by "proof."  Maybe we are in agreement if I restate it like this? [/quote]

I'll admit that I'm a bit lost in this conversation.   In hopes of not confusing things more, I'll say that "information" doesn't necessarily have the same impact on people of faith (believing in some religion) and people without faith (atheists).  Faith, from what I've seen, can happily co-exist with reason as well as  outside of reason.  Faith supersedes reason.  I've seen very intelligent, well-educated people take great pride in the fact that their understanding of science, etc, does not interfere  a bit with their ability to have faith in their religion.  I've seen it here on DCUM and IRL[/quote]

[b]The definition of faith is belief without proof. You seem to not be keeping that in mind[/b]

Besides, what science harms faith? Unless you literally believe that God created the earth in 7 human days, there's no conflict. The conflicts between science and faith only come in the details, which a believer is often free to reject, or in reading the bible or other text literally, which many many don't. 
(Still an atheist here)[/quote]

It can also be belief despite proof or belief without taking "proof" or evidence into consideration -- because faith is the natural default for some people.   There is no "proof" of God but there is plenty of evidence against certain religious beliefs.  None of that matters to a person of deep faith.[/quote]

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