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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]American Muslim here.

I believe that the government should not be restricting any civil liberties. The government should treat everyone equally. I do not believe that another person's beliefs/religion/morals should affect my life, unless I am harming another person.

I believe God's laws are complex and nuanced, far more than we understand. I will leave God to decide who has sinned and whether/how he or she should be punished. It is not my job to do anything more than be kind and just and encourage knowledge.
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I'm Christian, a pretty liberal one, and I believe exactly what you said! Kudos![/quote]

You're mixing issues here, though. American Muslims don't care if the government permits gays to have legal marriages. They just don't think gay Muslims can have [b]religious [/b][u]marriages. They don't think Imams can be forced to marry Muslims of the same sex. But they are fine with gays working in secular areas. They are fine with supporting the hate crime law. They don't think it's fair to deny gays other civil rights.

God's laws are nuanced, you say, but the ayah doesn't seem to be very vague on prohibiting  homosexuality. Nor does the rest of the Quran address any nuances of homosexuality. It simply and outright forbids it. American Muslims are not asking for gays to be punished. However, in declaring it a sin, they're simply following the Quran. If you don't recognize that homosexuality is a sin in Islam, I have to wonder if you embrace Islam because it is extremely clear in the Quran. [/quote]

I'm the American Muslim who posted the original quoted post.

Who said I think Imams should be forced to marry gay couples? Who said I question the Quran's prohibition on homosexuality?

Are you the OP? When I posted in the thread, I thought the OP was looking to understand different people's perspective, not set up other Muslims to be attacked and their faith questioned.

There are a lot of sins described in the Quran. Homosexuality is just one of them. The Quran is filled with verses that deal with far more than self-righteously condemning each other. The Quran is focused on personal growth and struggle, finding strength to stand up for your beliefs, being open, honest, straightforward with others, being kind, welcoming, and forgiving. There are a lot of lessons I learn from the Quran. We should support each other in that.[/quote]

Islam isn't a buffet. Yes, some issues may not be as clearly spelled out, but homosexuality isn't one of those vague areas. If you profess to practice Islam, which you said you do, you can not support same sex marriage. Your principles as a Muslim are via the Quran, not secular law of the US. You may support US law but not those laws that defy your religious principles. Thus, if US secular law demands that men can marry men, Muslims can accept or tolerate that out of respect for ourcountry's laws, but can not support it. Are you saying that despite that you are a Muslim, you support men marrying men?

You needn't be offended. I already know the different perspective. It simply contradicts Islam is what I'm saying and trying to see if American Muslims who support men marrying men recognize that too.[/quote]

I believe the GOVERNMENT cannot restrict an individual citizen's rights. The government must treat all individual's equally.[/quote]

I understand you believe that should be the case since this is a secular government. But what is your personal opinion, islamically? [/quote]

I see. I didn't realize what you were asking (and I think the poll mentioned in the OP is probably not clear either, so those percentages may be misleading).

I don't think that marriage between two men or between two women is allowed Islamically. The Quran does seem pretty clear on that. But if two Muslim men or two Muslim women were married somehow, I wouldn't feel the need to stop it or change it or punish them or shun them. As I've grown older I've learned not to judge others for doing what seems "sinful" as the more I learn and study and experience, I understand the less I know. [/quote]

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