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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]At times it seems to me that marriage is a grand scheme, a ruse designed to use women to benefit men.  I truly see way more advantages for men than for women in the institution of marriage.[/quote]

Allright ladies, clueless husband here. I would genuinely appreciate some explanation of how I have the better deal in marriage. Please be specific because I would like to know why you believe this, but so far this thread has been entirely flame bait without any actual intelligent points to support the OP's position.[/quote]

With the case of my exH here were all the benefits he received:
1) [b]Free household cleaning [/b](with the exception of him doing laundry and dishes).
2) [b]Free yard work[/b] (he never did any yard work)
3) Sex (which quickly dwindled the more often he reminded me that he made more and therefore did not have to do anything around the house and what a horrible Mother I was.)
4) Time to go to the gym while I played with our child (and he never returned the favor to me)
5) Didn't pay a single childcare expense (because he convinced me this was a fair trade for him paying the other bills, would be true if he didn't make 3x what I did)

Anyway, can you see why he is single now? [/quote]

Most men don't care about these things. Women think that chores are value added. Most bachelors who live alone only make their bed when they expect company. They clean to conform to female expectations and desire for nice looking house. We just want sex and Sportscenter.[/quote]

And.... we should care why?

We want a clean house.  Why should our quality of life have to suffer because you don't?  And then you sanctimoniously like to imply that women are being unreasonable by not wanting to live in mess and the male way, of only caring about getting to have sex (which is just such a desperate, pathetic mindset that it's unbelievable) is better.

Bitch, please.[/quote]

My point is this is typical female drivel about chores and housekeep. Men want cold beers, lots of sex, and time to watch football. They don't really care about the decorating you've done around the house, the accent pillows you picked out, the hue of the paint you chose on the wall in the office, or how much dust there is on the baseboards. So stop claiming that you're "improving our lives" when you stress out about these things and knock yourself out to make sure stuff is spiff and span. We. Don't. Care. [/quote]

And why exactly is keeping a neat house or decorating "typical drivel" whereas beers, babes, and football is some noble pasttime?

Please explain to me the logic here.[/quote]

Because we men don't claim that throwing great BBQ's, having cold beer in the fridge, or the like are reasons that our women have it good in a relationship! You're missing the point. Women go to great lengths touting how they do X, Y, and Z and so their men should be pleased. But if X, Y, and Z are things men are agnostic about as relationship goods those aren't really selling points.[/quote]

But if it's something we care about as women, we have every right to value those things. Whether or not you want to appreciate it, there is definite value in living in a neater space, in having a meal cooked for you, in having the house well decorated.  In fact, it seems absurd to argue the opposite.

And I hate to tell you- but men's opinion of a task does not add or delete value.  A task or activity is worthwhile by itself, regardless of what "you men" have to say about it. [/quote]

New poster, but again, this seems to miss the point. The woman can work as hard as she wants to live in a place she likes. But don't turn around and expect "marriage credits" for that effort. It's no better or worse than time a man spends putting effort into his hobby. [/quote]

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