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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]LOL no it doesn't work that way[/quote]

It most certainly does.  God knows his people are sinners and he forgives them as long as they are sorry and continue to believe in Jesus as their savior.  If they are sorry, or stop committing so many sins but no longer believe in Jesus, then he does not forgive them.  Those people don't care, because they no longer believe in salvation, but God is still keeping track of them and will punish them after they die for their lack of belief, no matter how good they were compared to faithful Christians.[/quote]

But how do you make yourself believe in something? A person could go through all the motions -- praying, reading the Bible, going to church, etc., but what if, buried deep in their heart, they have doubts? What are they supposed to do about that? What if they try to believe until their last breath, but can't make the doubt go away?

That is my ultimate difficulty with this variety of Christianity. All of the things a person can control, all of the things they can make choices about, are irrelevant. All that matters is something that's not truly within their control.[/quote]

EVERYONE has doubts at some point in their life. Even the most devoutly religious Christians. Doubt is part of faith and part of belief.  You don't "make yourself" believe something. You live your life as a follower of Jesus Christ. Even He acknowledged doubts and in fact, talks about them in the New Testament.

Don't you ever "doubt" that you love your DH?  Be honest here. But does that mean you up and decide to divorce him tomorrow, because of it?[/quote]

So doubting but continuing to go to church is good enough?  And then you get away with acting horribly as long as you say sorry?  Pathetic [/quote]

There is a lot more to following Jesus Christ than simply "going to church." If that is your view of religion, it is painfully shallow. And no, you don't "get away" with acting horribly. Acting Horribly and Following Jesus Christ are contradictory. [/quote]

So what is sufficient belief then?  You say doubt is a fine and acceptable part of it.  I believe Jesus was a really great person and maybe more a child of God than the rest of us.  But not sure.  Am I a believer?[/quote]

I don't think God judges us in the end on our level of belief. (It's not like there is a thermometer and if you hit a certain number, you're OK!)  Romans 10:9 is very clear: If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I think this is interesting because it requires two things: action and belief. To me, the "action" is yes, affirming that we are followers but then also, continuing to live your life that way. That means, continuing to seek a relationship with Him. If you do that, He will reach out and meet you, I promise you that. So, it's not enough (in my mind) to say, OK, I believe, now on with life. What God is seeking through Christ is to change you and live in your life here, now and in the years to come that you have on earth. It is a constantly growing process.

In fact, Revelation 13: 15 - 16 says this about people who profess to believing, but then continue to march on their own merry way: 'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.

In other words, I think God finds that even more offensive than people who never came to know Him.
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