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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No where near is a stretch. It is near. Not right next door to Maury- but the poors can walk/move around a bit.[/quote]

As the crime reports clearly show. Ludlow and JO are also closer to actual amenities. For much of Maury the Stadium Armory is the closest metro. If you'd rather walk to and from that stop at midnight than eastern market or Noma then have at it.[/quote]

I would rather walk to Stadium Armory than the NoMa stop at night, actually. [/quote]

To the OP. This is why asking DCUM for advice is dubious at best. They know what the hill looked like 8 years ago. Look at crime reports and housing comps within 6 blocks of the two metros. Property near noma with 1.5 to 2x near noma. People like the previous poster aren't bad or malicious, just ignorant. [/quote]

Whatever. I and thousands of other people have regularly walkes home from Stadium Armory at night somehow without incident. Shocking I know![/quote]

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Not saying it is a warzone or unsafe. But this is a good illustration for the OP of the time warp in which some on your part of the Hill still live. Conventional wisdom [b]WAS[/b] that pushing super far east was better than going north of H street - but that about ended when the NoMa metro opened...about 2004.  Within two blocks of the NoMa metro stop: Harris Teeter, Starbucks, Petco, CVS, Hilton Garden Hotel, Courtyard Marriott, Douglas Jamal's new REI flagship and retail (that is across the street from the entrance, BTW), Potbelly, TD Bank, 5 Guys Burgers. Oh yeah, and hundreds upon hundreds of luxury apartments (think: 4 buildings each with 8 or 10 stories with 1 BRs in the mid to high 2000's, 2BR in the 3's). Within 4 blocks is Union Market and another block past that is the movie theater. It is young couple and kid-ville over there. If you go south towards H you have the new Giant, the new Whole Foods (coming soon), and about 10 indie restaurants and coffee shops and bakeries.

I'm not arguing that your neighborhood is bad or unsafe, but to argue with a straight face that RFK is safer or has more amenities is living in a time warp. Even if the crime stats didn't bear this out (and they do) the critical mass of shops and people and amenities near NoMa mean there's more foot traffic, which makes anywhere in a city safer. I'm not making the same argument about Eastern Market; there's lots of stuff over there (although I prefer NoMa).  But legit arguments can be made.  And I wish we had more parks like Garfield or Lincoln. But you are confusing the fact that RFK is IB for Maury with the neighborhoods that are on the line between Maury and Brent. And the property values in the NoMa part of 20002 are telling the same story.

Then there's the fact that LT is killing it, JO is on the rise (maybe a year or two behind LT) and both feed into SH, which (after Deal) could reasonably be the best MS in DC by the time ECE kids attend.

Your neighborhood is lovely. I'm thrilled you like it. But the rest of the Hill didn't stay the same after you bought your house.    [/quote]

Nailed it. And I've lived within 2 blocks of both metros. Noma X1000 more convenient[/quote]
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You ignore the most salient point of OP's query. She asked about Hill schools. NOMA is not on the Hill and not inbound for any Hill school. [/quote]

Everything east of the south entrance is IB for JO. But thanks for making my point about the ignorance of some Hill dwellers. [/quote]

Your own ignorance is pretty evident. JO Wilson isn't on the Hill. It is way above the historic F St northern bounds at of the Hill historic district and north of H by 2 blocks. At best it is H St and Atlas, not the Hill.[/quote]

I think you are being a bit too literal here. I live on the Hill (within the historic district if that is how you are defining the Hill) and I would include schools like JO Wilson and Miner and Payne as Hill schools. From a parent's perspective, they are looking at what schools their kid could attend and still be part of family life on the Hill (Boogie Babies, Music Together, Sports on the Hill, kid's shows at the Atlas, Tippie Toes at the Hill Center etc.). My mom friends who live IB for these schools send their kids to all these activities. No one is thinking about the boundaries of the historic district. This distinction is only important to the senior citizens who sit on things like the Capitol Hill Restoration Society board. In the real world of modern Hill parenting, your argument is meaningless. [/quote]

Neighborhoods can only stretch so far.  NOMA is definitely not the Hill. [/quote]

But JO Wilson is a Hill school. Its IB goes to H street. I would agree that the high rises over by the New York metro aren't on the Hill, or even really Hill adjacent, but no one but you is concerned about that point. The OP wanted some info on Hill schools. We are trying to give her some.[/quote]

The NOMA booster is the one that turned this into a debate about NOMA as a neighborhood. And anyway, is JO Wilson really a Hill neighborhood?[b] What would the longtimers say about that?[/b] [/quote]

JO Wilson feeds into SH, which is what makes it a Hill school IMO. SH is definitely a Hill middle school.[/quote]

I think you're going to find that most people think of both LT and JO as Hill schools. And I'm quite sure that the 130k new residents who have moved into DC since the 2000 census definitely agree. But here's the more important point; [u]longtimers don't have school age kids![/u] And since this a forum about DC schools I think maybe you're confused about what and why people are discussing - maybe that comes with advanced age;) I'm also not sure why you think anyone cares what only the longtimers think (as if they are the arbiters of these things), but since it is the newcomers who are sending their kids to DCPS I'm thinking that if we are to discount or dismiss a group's thinking on this, it should probably be the longtimers, not the people with school age kids. It isn't that we don't care what the septuagenarians and octogenarians think about DCPS...oh wait, we really don't.

Every time you pull out your keyboard you make my point for me. And my point is this: "wisdom and advice" about DC schools (or anything, really) from people like you who don't understand DC as it is, not as it was, is pretty much useless. But you are kind to show your time warp mentality for all to see so we can discount most of what you are saying. 
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Chill.  First of all, plenty of longtimers have kids.  Grandkids or their own kids. It's kind of ignorant for you not to see that.  Second of all, I just think it's an enormous stretch to call something "the Hill" when it is not, you know, actually walking distance from Capitol Hill.  I'd guess that most out-of-towners posting on this board about Hill schools are likely to be actually coming to work on the Hill, and so to them the definition of "the Hill" probably means reasonable walking distance (10-15 minutes).  [/quote]

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