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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]Jeff, I'm way too tired for semantics. What's your take on this?

http://shoebat.com/2014/12/12/christian-man-asks-thirteen-gay-bakeries-bake-pro-traditional-marriage-cake-denied-service-watch-shocking-video/[/quote]

That article is too convoluted to read. It is difficult to make heads and tails of things. If I understand correctly, the pro-gay marriage slogan incident took place in Ireland. Also, if I understood correctly, the author called US-based bakeries. Ireland's laws don't apply to the US and, therefore, I think this is a bit of apples and oranges. I am not sure that a lawsuit targeting a baker for refusing to put a specific slogan on a cake would be successful in this US. In that case, a baker could successfully refuse to put either pro-gay or anti-gay slogans on cakes.

The author, as is often the case, is confused about the meaning of "free speech". Free speech is an individual's freedom to speak, not the freedom to force others to speak.

The other issue is the failure to distinguish between the refusal to provide a service because it is not a service you want to provide and a refusal to provide a service because of a characteristic of the customer.  For instance, I don't think anyone would expect to be able to compel a Jewish deli to serve ham sandwiches. However, in many places, the same Jewish deli could be sued for refusing to serve members of groups protected by anti-discrimination laws.

Therefore, if a baker refuses to sell cakes with anti-gay slogans, I believe he is on firm ground. However, if the same baker refused to sell a cake to an anti-gay customer, I would find his ground to be much less firm, though legally he still might be able to get away with it because I am not aware of laws prohibiting discrimination against anti-gay people.
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It was the first link that popped up. If you google it, you will find a barrage of articles--choose any one you like. Do not attack the source, talk about the idea.

From what I understand, the Christians did not turned down customers, because they were gay. They refused to provide a service, because it was not a service they wanted to provide, i.e. be part of a ceremony they opposed philosophically.

I can see how tempting it is to try seeing nuance where there is none. I for one have little interest in that.

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Well-said. And you are correct.[/quote]

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