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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]Yes, we all sin, and thus on this logic no one would enter Heaven[/b]. But I'm sure that's not what the person means by God and co-existing with sin.

My view would be that whatever it is you think has to happen after death to cleanse the person of sin would be offered to all people. I suppose you could reject it. [/quote]

Ah, but we as Christians do. Because we are cleansed, renewed and washed by the blood of Christ. He has paid for our sin for us, in a way that we simply cannot. Of course this is offered to all people. It is a shame that so many do choose to reject it, by not choosing Him.[/quote]

On the up side, it makes more room in heaven for those who are properly cleansed, renewed and washed in His blood.  No more proselytizing or pitying the unpersuaded.  Instead, this very elite group can spend eternity mixing with each other and congratulating themselves on exerting their free will in just the right way to secure their special spot in heaven.[/quote]

And you can finally exist in that utopia where people aren't trying to convert you. Bonus![/quote]

If being cleansed means bathing in blood, then my godless utopia is looking pretty good.  [/quote]

One of the things that I find uniquely distasteful among the atheists I know (and that is actually quite a few) is their almost universal inability to recognize and appreciate beauty, analogy and imagery in life, such as in the written word or in art. PP, you must be a ball to visit museums with. Do you look at a Monet painting and think, "why couldn't he keep the lines straight?"  Cleansed by the blood of Christ does not mean that you yourself must bathe in blood. Apparently it is necessary to spell that out for you. Just FYI.[/quote]

Apparently, honeybun, you're not looking though a Catholic lens.

[quote]The doctrine of the Real Presence asserts that in the Holy Eucharist, Jesus is literally and wholly present—body and blood, soul and divinity—under the appearances of bread and wine.[/quote]

As a Catholic school-educated FORMER Catholic, we were told that [quote] the consecrated bread and wine were taken to be, and were treated and designated as, the Savior’s body and blood." [/quote]

So while I won't question the techniques found in French Impressionism but will instead admire the beauty of the brushstrokes, I was "trained" to believe that I was drinking Jesus' blood and eating his body like a cannibal.

Remember that as a GOOD Christian, PP, you should be open-minded about the subtle (or not so subtle) differences among your belief system and others.

As an atheist, I'm don't have to be open-minded at all.

Happy eating![/quote]

not pp. Taking in the body and blood does not mean literally bathing in a vat of Christ's blood. That is what the pp was getting at, and you know it. We are cleansed by the shedding of His blood. So save your Sunday school condescension.

And you give other atheists a bad name if you say you don't have to be open-minded at all. There are open- and fair-minded atheists on these boards, and you could learn something from them.[/quote]

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