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[quote=FruminousBandersnatch][quote=Anonymous][quote=FruminousBandersnatch][quote] Is it just me, or does this post make absolutely no sense. The energy that makes a heart beat, makes brain waves, that are produced within the cells, leaves the body once it dies. Where does this energy go after the body dies? It has to go somewhere. It clearly isn't leeching onto the body because the EEG's show no activity when a person is dead. [/quote] It's just you. The energy that makes a heart beat is electricity, the same as is measured in brain waves (EEG stands for electro-encephalograph). Where does the "energy" go when you turn off a light? Where does the "energy" go when you turn off the generator that provided the electricity that powered the light? Where does the "energy" that powers your car go when you turn off the engine? The body converts food to energy used by the body in different forms. Cells use that energy to perform certain functions. When you stop taking in food, the body has reserves that the cells can use for a while, but ultimately, they run out of "gas." When you turn off an incandescent light bulb, the filament continues to glow briefly as it cools off and releases all of its radiant energy, and if you looked at it in the infrared spectrum it would glow for a lot longer, but without electricity continuing to pump energy into the filament, the light goes dark. When you die, higher functions of your brain cease. Among other things, the brain stops sending the electrical nerve impulses that cause the heart muscle to contract, and you stop breathing. If the heart doesn't beat and the lungs don't exchange CO2 for oxygen, then the rest of the body runs out of fuel pretty quickly. There's no mystery to this. It's a pretty well understood biological process.[/quote] Fruminous, I'm no physicist but apparently, neither are you. [/quote] Well, you're half-right, at least. It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. [quote=Anonymous]You pull quite a bit of information from other sources, including wikipedia.[/quote] Damn. Twice in one day getting accused of plagiarism. That's annoying. Please point out what you think I took from other sources. [quote=Anonymous]If I understood correctly, you said food is what provides our bodies energy. When food is deprived, so is the energy provided to our bodies. So you imply that our bodies do not have any energy on their own. I believe you are incorrect in this assumption. [/quote] Our bodies consume food and we breath air. Those are the only inputs we have. The cells, bones, muscles, tissues are built from the matter that we consume. [quote=Anonymous]The best example I can give is of a stick of dynamite. A stick of dynamite, under your analysis, has no energy on its own. It can not explode without being ignited. So the flame that ignites it is what provides the stick of dynamite energy to explode. However, this is incorrect. Actually the stick of dynamite has energy, but it is in the form of chemical energy or potential energy. When it is ignited, it explodes into a different form of energy, kinetic energy. So here's an explanation of why energy from our body doesn't just "die" from wikipedia: Matter is composed of such things as atoms, electrons, neutrons, and protons. It has intrinsic or rest mass. In the limited range of recognized experience of the nineteenth century it was found that such rest mass is conserved. [b]Einstein's 1905 theory of special relativity showed that it corresponds to an equivalent amount of rest energy. This means that it can be converted to or from equivalent amounts of other (non-material) forms of energy, for example kinetic energy, potential energy, and electromagnetic radiant energy.[/b][u] When this happens, as recognized in twentieth century experience, rest mass is not conserved, unlike the total mass or total energy. All forms of energy contribute to the total mass and total energy. [b][u]For example an electron and a positron each have rest mass. They can perish together, converting their combined rest energy into photons having electromagnetic radiant energy, but no rest mass. If this occurs within an isolated system that does not release the photons or their energy into the external surroundings, then neither the total mass nor the total energy of the system will change. The produced electromagnetic radiant energy contributes just as much to the inertia (and to any weight) of the system as did the rest mass of the electron and positron before their demise.[/u][/b] Conversely, non-material forms of energy can perish into matter, which has rest mass. [/quote] Your original point was "The energy that makes a heart beat, makes brain waves, that are produced within the cells, leaves the body once it dies. Where does this energy go after the body dies? It has to go somewhere. It clearly isn't leeching onto the body because the EEG's show no activity when a person is dead." The energy that makes a heart beat is an electrical impulse sent from the brain, through the nervous system to the cardiac muscle. The cardiac muscle contracts when it receives the signal. Brain waves are electrical currents, measured, as I said, with a device that detects and records electrical currents call the electro-encephalograph. When your brain dies, those electrical impulses cease pretty quickly. When the cells in your body do not receive oxygen or nutrients, they die. However, you're correct that there is potential energy remaining in the matter that makes up the body. It doesn't matter whether the body is alive or dead, though, because it's the same energy that is associated with all matter. You can convert matter to energy via E=mc^2, and it doesn't make a difference whether I'm talking about a kilogram of rock or a kilogram of flesh. That's not energy associated with being alive, that's energy associated with being matter. None of that has anything to do with the soul being made up of some other form of energy. [/quote]
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